Goodbye Privacy!

[peelingchrome]

WTF is happening to this country?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

The Democrats are seizing power. All of it they can, while they can. The Republicans are letting them.

We have two choices. We can let them or we can undo every thing we can in 2010 by voting out all incumbents and not voting for the preferred "Democrat" or "Republican" canidates. In fact, we need to avoid all professional politicians.

[peelingchrome]

The Democrats are seizing power. All of it they can, while they can. The Republicans are letting them.

We have two choices. We can let them or we can undo every thing we can in 2010 by voting out all incumbents and not voting for the preferred "Democrat" or "Republican" canidates. In fact, we need to avoid all professional politicians.

I was under the understanding that the bill was backed by BOTH parties...

"We must protect our critical infrastructure at all costs—from our water to our electricity, to banking, traffic lights and electronic health records—the list goes on," Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), bill co-sponsor, said in a statement. "It's an understatement to say that cyber-security is one of the most important issues we face; the increasingly connected nature of our lives only amplifies our vulnerability to cyber-attacks and we must act now."

Fellow co-sponsor Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine) added, "America's vulnerability to massive cyber-crime, global cyber-espionage and cyber-attacks has emerged as one of the most urgent national security problems facing our country today. Importantly, this legislation loosely parallels the recommendations in the CSIS [Center for Strategic and International Studies] blue-ribbon panel report to President Obama and has been embraced by a number of industry and government thought leaders."

I agree with that last bit of yours, though. We need someone who's a bit different then more of the s(h)ame.

[Jacques Treatment]

Well, folks, I started warning everybody, starting after 9/11, that they were going to start taking plays out of the 1984 playbook. Of course, I'd been warning people about the trouble that W would bring, Cheney's corporate and neocon ties, sending Negroponte to Iraq, and so on... That's one of the reasons I stopped talking politics here. People just don't listen.

(sigh)

--J, shop as usual

[Scary Guy]

Well, folks, I started warning everybody, starting after 9/11, that they were going to start taking plays out of the 1984 playbook. Of course, I'd been warning people about the trouble that W would bring, Cheney's corporate and neocon ties, sending Negroponte to Iraq, and so on... That's one of the reasons I stopped talking politics here. People just don't listen.

(sigh)

--J, shop as usual

Yeah... no I saw this coming pretty much when I saw the plane hit on the news. I think I said something to the effect of "fuck this, we'll be hearing about this for the next six months, I'm going back to bed".

LONGEST FUCKING SIX MONTHS EVER! CAN'T THIS BE OVER YET?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Well, folks, I started warning everybody, starting after 9/11, that they were going to start taking plays out of the 1984 playbook. Of course, I'd been warning people about the trouble that W would bring, Cheney's corporate and neocon ties, sending Negroponte to Iraq, and so on... That's one of the reasons I stopped talking politics here. People just don't listen.

(sigh)

--J, shop as usual

How is this Bush and Cheney's fault?

[Scary Guy]

How is this Bush and Cheney's fault?

THEY LET IT HAPPEN!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

but, they have no power to stop this bill anymore.

[Jacques Treatment]

but, they have no power to stop this bill anymore.

True, they have no power to stop this bill, but they're the people who started this landslide toward increased police powers and decreased civil freedoms. Admittedly, they're not in the position to do much from the Administrative Branch, but from the moment this became a "War," and we needed to be "Patriots," well, that's when I put on *my* helmet.

--J,

Certified Thoughtcriminal

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Right, but this bill was initiated after the "War on Terror" was over and the "Over Seas Contigincy Plan" was implimented.

You can try to blame this on Bush all you want... but this is another push by the Agent of Change to take all the power he can.

[Homicidalheathen]

I know a few pagan hippies that hope to be completely off the grid by the end of the year, thats the only way.

No credit, not even a water bill.

They plan to collect rain water...grow their own food...in abandoned houses...no taxes...nothing.

I wish them luck...doubt they will pull it off. Most of the houses are already taken over by crackheads...someone will notice those rain barrels...

They have convinced me though maybe I should get off the net totally soon. I might.

[Scary Guy]

Right, but this bill was initiated after the "War on Terror" was over and the "Over Seas Contigincy Plan" was implimented.

You can try to blame this on Bush all you want... but this is another push by the Agent of Change to take all the power he can.

"War on Terror" = "Over Seas Contingency Plan"

Same crap, new name. Bush had a huge power grab, and Obama is just taking over where he left off.

[Jacques Treatment]

"War on Terror" = "Over Seas Contingency Plan"

Same crap, new name. Bush had a huge power grab, and Obama is just taking over where he left off.

You'll note I never said that I thought that Obama was a saint or anything like said. I just said that W and his cronies

STARTED the landslide. Momentum will likely continue from there. As long as Osama Bin Goldstein and Al Qaeda are out there, they'll get away with just about *anything*. Those of you who remember what I was saying, all those months ago, they can go after "the terrorists" forever because nobody can prove that there aren't more out there.

--J,

headed back to room 101

[Scary Guy]

You'll note I never said that I thought that Obama was a saint or anything like said. I just said that W and his cronies

STARTED the landslide. Momentum will likely continue from there. As long as Osama Bin Goldstein and Al Qaeda are out there, they'll get away with just about *anything*. Those of you who remember what I was saying, all those months ago, they can go after "the terrorists" forever because nobody can prove that there aren't more out there.

--J,

headed back to room 101

Love the 1984 references. Speaking of phantom enemies have you seen "The Power of Nightmares"?

Also THIS!

[Jacques Treatment]

Love the 1984 references. Speaking of phantom enemies have you seen "The Power of Nightmares"?

Cool image; no, I haven't seen "The Power of Nightmares." Have you seen my comic books? I have

a feeling that you'd get a kick out of Kevin Byrne's "New Siberia" story in IF-X #7. (You'd probably

also enjoy the free meal at Royal Kabob that comes with the book, too, but that's a different discussion.)

--J,

Mmmm, Illuminati-kabobs. Right through the eye in the pyramid! Now with Golden Apple chunks.

[TitsMcGee]

I know a few pagan hippies that hope to be completely off the grid by the end of the year, thats the only way.

No credit, not even a water bill.

They plan to collect rain water...grow their own food...in abandoned houses...no taxes...nothing.

I wish them luck...doubt they will pull it off. Most of the houses are already taken over by crackheads...someone will notice those rain barrels...

They have convinced me though maybe I should get off the net totally soon. I might.

Sounds similar to what we're doing up here. We've got geothermal heat and have the windmil that generates power. We grow our own food in the summer, canning what we can. We're mostly off the grid.

[Tacohitts]

Just wait till the asshole lawmakers force you to get one of these implanted in you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrHpjULWj0

Our government really loves to misuse technology,and yes I'd rather kill myself

than be a marked slave to the system.time to start planning a major exodus out of this nation.

Now what about these portable"tax payer prison cell" you know what they will be used for

[Jacques Treatment]

Just wait till the asshole lawmakers force you to get one of these implanted in you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYrHpjULWj0

Our government really loves to misuse technology,and yes I'd rather kill myself

than be a marked slave to the system.time to start planning a major exodus out of this nation.

Now what about these portable"tax payer prison cell" you know what they will be used for

SubGenius Rules of Technology:

THEY don't have to watch you, if YOU are watching television.

If GPS ever becomes cool, EVERYBODY will want to be trackable.

("Hey! Where you at?" "Hello, this is OnStar.")

--J,

Hey, where's my tracker-bling?

[candyman]

Dude, if you are going to say that you will kill yourself when something happens you better hold up on your end of the deal.

Yeah, we are probably the only country and the only government to misuse technology. We should probably just commit mass suicide because it seems we can't get anything right.

Honestly, I would feel better with many people having these chips in them. The government will never go after everyone...at least not me. Why? Even though I do enjoy some fun in my life there is really nothing about me that threatens anyone. However, these chips should be used in cars and or plates because you deserve to have your privacy invaded if you are a retard on wheels...and there are alot of those out there.

If you have something that you really have to hide...you should have though about that before. The government doesn't even need to move toward anything like these chips because technology is moving that way on its own. Think of all the things around today that are common and that don't bother people at all...years ago that stuff was unheard of.

If you think that you have privacy now you are kidding yourselves. This world is growing together in both population and communication. If you can't deal with the way things are headed then...well, I don't know what to suggest...maybe a time machine or suicide.

[candyman]

>30uF @>200v capacitor, charging circuit, and a 5 turn 4 x 6cm coil

that will kill any chip...at least the ones made before and the ones made now...the future may be different

[Tacohitts]

Dude, if you are going to say that you will kill yourself when something happens you better hold up on your end of the deal.

Yeah, we are probably the only country and the only government to misuse technology. We should probably just commit mass suicide because it seems we can't get anything right.

Honestly, I would feel better with many people having these chips in them. The government will never go after everyone...at least not me. Why? Even though I do enjoy some fun in my life there is really nothing about me that threatens anyone. However, these chips should be used in cars and or plates because you deserve to have your privacy invaded if you are a retard on wheels...and there are alot of those out there.

If you have something that you really have to hide...you should have though about that before. The government doesn't even need to move toward anything like these chips because technology is moving that way on its own. Think of all the things around today that are common and that don't bother people at all...years ago that stuff was unheard of.

If you think that you have privacy now you are kidding yourselves. This world is growing together in both population and communication. If you can't deal with the way things are headed then...well, I don't know what to suggest...maybe a time machine or suicide.

I'd rather be dead than be ass raped by the system(directed at sheeple only)only sheeple will allow themselves to become slaves of the system,just wait till out unfit government discovers mind reading.

[candyman]

Yeah...I will make sure to put that in File 13...

[Scary Guy]

just wait till out unfit government discovers mind reading.

Don't even THINK about crimethought.

[Nightgaunt]

This is the beginning of "Internet 2". It's going to be awesome! No more of those lame small-time websites, just a thousand or so safe, government-sanctioned sites. Plus, everything you do will be watched by your friend Uncle Sam TO KEEP YOU SAFE. Personally, I can't wait to log on using my implanted identi-chip and see what Old Navy and Best Buy have on sale.

[Nightgaunt]

Honestly, I would feel better with many people having these chips in them. The government will never go after everyone...at least not me. Why? Even though I do enjoy some fun in my life there is really nothing about me that threatens anyone. However, these chips should be used in cars and or plates because you deserve to have your privacy invaded if you are a retard on wheels...and there are alot of those out there.

Ah, the "If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to worry about" argument. Favored reasoning of power-abusing cops everywhere. Here's the thing: in that kind of environment, EVERYONE has something to hide, EVERYONE is guilty of SOMETHING. The purpose behind this kind of 1984 scenario is not public safety, but public control. Over time, more and more activities become criminalized until it becomes impossible to even know everything on the prohibited list. I don't want the government's nose out of my business because I have something to hide; I want it out of my business because the Constitution says it has to! I can't believe I have to explain this.

Think of all the things around today that are common and that don't bother people at all...years ago that stuff was unheard of.

Microwave ovens and velcro don't enable a tyrannical government to enslave me.

If you think that you have privacy now you are kidding yourselves. This world is growing together in both population and communication. If you can't deal with the way things are headed then...well, I don't know what to suggest...maybe a time machine or suicide.

Or, stand up, speak out against what's going on, and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeYscnFpEyA. I simply can't wrap my brain around this sort of mindset. Read the Declaration of Independence! Read the Constitution and the Bill of Rights! Then, read them again until you understand them. (When I say "you", I'm not referring to you, specifically, Candyman, but everyone who meekly accepts these assaults on our liberties.) When we do this, when we allow the private Federal Reserve to bankrupt our nation, when we allow millions of illegal immigrants to suck on the taxpayers' collective tit, when we allow Congress to pass draconian legislation without even reading it first, we piss on the graves of everyone who fought, suffered, and died to give birth to this Republic. Maybe Big Brother will win. Maybe most of us will be living in labor camps in five years. Maybe we'll be dead, but I can tell you that I'll go down resisting. Like Patrick Henry said...

Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!