Carl Rove is Leaking

[Fierce Critter]

Nobody is discussing this?

Don't tell me politics on DGN are only alive when there is an election pending?

No liberals to call for his crucifixion? No conservatives to say he did nothing wrong?

COME ON, PEOPLE!!!! Let's see some gnashing of teeth & pulling of hair!!!

<<sits back and waits>>

[Mikielikesit]

This guy is pure evil and has his fingers in nothing but no good. He is the puppetmaster behind our prez bush and he is one that wins at any costs and he does not care who gets hurt and if you cross this guy he will hang you out to dry at any costs. He is the evil that lurks in our goverment and he needs to be stopped along with the adminstration that he works for. all who are in this adminstration our part of a large group of good ole boys who don't have any care for anyone in this counrty or any other counrty.

[The_Dark]

Last I checked.. Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

[Msterbeau]

Last I checked.. Innocent Until Proven Guilty.

For the neocons...it's more like innocent until caught butchering small children on national TV. Nothing sticks to these guys, and it sure as hell isn't because they're fucking "innocent".

They've been implementing plans over a long period of time to put people in places that allow them to manipulate situations to their advantage. Majority in congress. Check. Dismantle restrictions on utilities and media ownership. Check Place people in positions of power over the electoral process. Check Etc etc etc...

[Scary Guy]

You ever see that show American Dad?

[phee]

Nobody is discussing this?

Don't tell me politics on DGN are only alive when there is an election pending?

No liberals to call for his crucifixion? No conservatives to say he did nothing wrong?

COME ON, PEOPLE!!!! Let's see some gnashing of teeth & pulling of hair!!!

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There you go Fierce... as you requested...

[kellygrrrrrl]

Eh...not gonna go there.....

I saw Family Guy.....It was as always, hilarious!

[The_Dark]

Nothing sticks to these guys, and it sure as hell isn't because they're fucking "innocent".

It's not just the Neocons.. When was the last time you saw anyone in politics have to answer for anything they do or say?

[phee]

I will leave it at... people have already formed there opinions, no amount of evidence one way or another seems to change what people feel about there politics these days...

[kellygrrrrrl]

I cut and paste...thought it sums up quite a bit.......

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Karl Rove is the anti-Christ.

Let me clarify. When I use the term "anti-Christ," I do not mean it to be a simple pejorative. (Only doodie-heads resort to name-calling.) Nor am I referring to that Old Persian demon popularized in a series of sackcloth-ripper novels. (If the end times are nigh, why do they need to be so rich? Thank the Goddess I'm a pagan.)

I am using the term "anti-Christ" in the literal sense. When you look at the life of the brilliant philosopher, Jesus called the Christ, as opposed to what Karl called the Rove stands for; you can see that Karl Rove is the anti-Christ.

Christ said to love your brother as yourself. Rove says everybody for himself.

Christ taught to help the poor and the sick. Rove teaches the rich how to get richer, and the poor deserve to be right where they are.

Christ preached unity. Rove preaches division.

Christ said the truth would set you free. But Rove showed that lies would win you elections.

Christ preached love. Rove spreads hate.

Christ was all about hope. Karl Rove…is not.

When you think about what is good and decent with humanity, you come up with a picture of what the Nazarene was talking about. When you think see the worst in people, you come up with a picture of Karl Rove…on a three-dollar bill.

Karl Rove is the anti-Christ. God and Goddess help us all, because Karl sure is not.

Michael A LaFlamme

[phee]

I won't go to quite that extreme... but no amount of evidence will ever change peoples opinions it seems... Money and power can buy innocence pretty easily. Who knows, with all the fuck ups that C. Rice made she was given the position of Secretary of State... Maybe we will have a new Supreme court Justice Rove, the way that Bush honors his mess ups.

[Fierce Critter]

Heh. Yeah, Phee. I got a little bit.

But I guess it all does come down to nobody seems to learn from the mistakes of others these days. Coming off my usual middle-ground position to say I've never seen an administration fuck up so badly, get caught in so many lies and get away with it so badly.

And before any conservatives bring up Clinton, the impeachment, this-gate-and-that-gate, all that was small potatoes compared to BS like the Iraq War, the sinful lack of action where Osama Bin Ladin is concerned, the outing of a federal agent, etc.

Nobody died 'cause Clinton got a blow job.

[Scary Guy]

http://www.tv.com/american-dad!/deacon...58/summary.html

That was basically what I was referencing with my comment.

[phee]

IC

[The_Dark]

I dont really have an opinion on this yet. most of the facts of the case are in muddy water. For example... this case has to do with a CIA agent who's cover was blown. By all definitions, she was not undercover. She had been working at Langley as a CIA officer for over 6 years. To be a covert CIA Agent you have to meet a few requirments...

A. You have to be OUTSIDE the US. (The CIA is not allowed to do covert operations within the borders of the USA)

B. You have to be going by a different name than your own.

C. You have to have met requirment A and B within the last 5 years.

Another thing that bothers me is the Democratic response. They are calling on the President to keep his word and fire the person who "outed" the cia agent. if you research the speech that President Bush made that they are qouting... you will find that Bush never said he would fire anyone. He said he would deal with them appropriatly.

The investigation is not done... If it is deteremnied that Rove did out a Covert CIA agent, then Bush wont have to fire him, he'll go to prison. If it is deemed that there was infact, as it seems, noone undercover, then Rove broke no laws and should not be punished.

[Scary Guy]

As far as A. goes, the CIA seriously doesn't give a shit, and does happen to watch us.

[Guest Game of Chance]

As far as A. goes, the CIA seriously doesn't give a shit, and does happen to watch us.

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I definitely agree. This Patriot Act, although unfortunately at the moment necessary, is for the birds.

However, I agree with The Dark that we simply do not have enough information at this point to make a judgement call. We can't very well go on having witch trials.

My gut, however, tells me that he is guilty as hell and should be locked up/shot.

[Msterbeau]

It's not just the Neocons.. When was the last time you saw anyone in politics have to answer for anything they do or say?

Almost never... :doh

Still. I prefer liberal leaning liars to conservative destructionists...

[Guest Game of Chance]

Still.  I prefer liberal leaning liars to conservative destructionists...

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Screw that dude...they're all crooks...we need a third party.

And, a fiscally conservative, socially liberal party would be nice.

Wait, doesn't that sound a little like our founding fathers? Hmmm...democracy? Is there such a thing anymore?

[The_Dark]

I stand corrected. I did some research. President Bush did say he would fire someone... He said he would fire anyone in his administration that is involved in illegal activity. So, the quesion really is.. Did anyone break the law? According the the rules that cover this kind of thing, no law has been broken.

On a different note, lets look at some facts as presented. Without any bias ans see what kind of conclusion we come to.

Joseph Wilson Went to Niger to look into White House claims that Iraq was trying to get weapons grade nuclear materials from Niger. He filled a report to the CIA. He claimed that he was sent by the Vice-President and was debriefed by the Vice-President.

According to records of the Senate Intelligence Commity, he was not infact sent by the Vice-President and never met with him for a debriefing. He was sent by a certain CIA employee... one Valerie Plame. Sound familure? Further, his report, according to the Democrates on the Senate Int. Commity actually backed up the Presidents claims.

Wilson then went public and wrote the now infamus op-ed in the NewYork Times. Doesn't matter that the actuall report said that Iraq was infact trying to get the material, he still wrote a piece that said that it was all false. The public and the Dems seem to have focused more on the NY times Article rather than the actual report he gave.

Robert Novak did a piece on the whole thing and in the process talked with Carl Rove. Rove, according to all accounts never named a name. He pointed out that Wilson was not sent by the vice-president but by his wife who he(Rove) beleived worked for the CIA. Novak then wrote his story, including Valerie Plames name.

All of the above is public knowledge if one cares to look. Most is covered in Senate documents. If you care to look.

[SomeDanGuy]

Yeah, never named a name. Just said "Wilson's wife". Hmm, whoever could that be referring to?

Years ago when the Bush administration was questioned about this, they said "We have no idea where this leak came from!" Yet, it turns out, then certainly did have an idea and Karl Rove was involved. No matter the circumstances or whether Rove can be officially indicted, why lie years ago and say they knew nothing about this? Why not just say then what they knew, as is coming out now?

[Scary Guy]

Screw that dude...they're all crooks...we need a third party.

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We have a third party, and a fourth, and a few others on top of those.

Green and Libritarian have been the only parties to even come close to getting any kind of power. I'm a fence rider or indipendant pretty much, but I mostly like the libritarian party.

It is unfortunately a two party system though, and if voting could change anything it would be illegal.

[Msterbeau]

We have a third party, and a fourth, and a few others on top of those.

Green and Libritarian have been the only parties to even come close to getting any kind of power.  I'm a fence rider or indipendant pretty much, but I mostly like the libritarian party.

It is unfortunately a two party system though, and if voting could change anything it would be illegal.

I don't disagree with having more parties. Or these days, It would probably be possible to have completely independent canidates. I'd rather vote for an individuals beliefs then a party's.

The reason the Greens, Libertarian's etc haven't made much of a dent is that, amongst the useful things in their party platforms are some really negative ones.

[The_Dark]

You would think that we could have a viable third or fourth party or a truly independant canidate. We can't. There is no way for them to get enough money to run a campaign on a grand enough scale. The Dems and Reps have changed the laws to make it extremly hard for any other party to get funds. CAmpaign Finaince reform.... what a joke. When the Green party started to really start getting big and started to pull away from the Democratic base.. the Dems pushed for new reforms, robbing the Green party of finaincing... The Republicans have done the same thing over the years. The way the laws are now, noone but the Republicans or Democrates can raise enough funds.

What we need to do is stop Voting straight ticket. Vote the issues, not the party. I know it seems a small thing, but so many people do it. Lazy, small minded people. They'll vote for anyone, they dont really care who or what they believe in, as long as they are the correct party... stupid.

[Guest Game of Chance]

We have a third party, and a fourth, and a few others on top of those.

Green and Libritarian have been the only parties to even come close to getting any kind of power.  I'm a fence rider or indipendant pretty much, but I mostly like the libritarian party.

It is unfortunately a two party system though, and if voting could change anything it would be illegal.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Agreed. Libertarian is how I vote.

lol...."if voting would change anything it would be illegal"