Punishment for Pedophiles

[Psycrow]

Judge not least ye be judged yourself-God

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone-Jesus Christ

True love know no boudns-Sabashtion Crowley

Before anyone blows a gasket, anyone who "forces" themselves on an unwilling or defenceless person, espessally a child, should be removed and placed where no one is in danger. Pheodaphillea is a mental diease one is born with and cannot help. Its the same as hating black people for being born black and vice versa.

Treat the problem, not the symptoms-Archamedieas.

[Steven]

Judge not least ye be judged yourself-God

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone-Jesus Christ

True love know no boudns-Sabashtion Crowley

Before anyone blows a gasket, anyone who "forces" themselves on an unwilling or defenceless person, espessally a child, should be removed and  placed where no one is in danger. Pheodaphillea is a mental diease one is born with and cannot help. Its the same as hating black people for being born black and vice versa.

Treat the problem, not the symptoms-Archamedieas.

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some diseases you kill so it does not come back - like cancer.

You mis-represented Jesus' quote about stone throwing. People often generically toss that one out there when the contxt of the situation does not apply.

The Jesus example had to do with sinful bloodlust inside of self-righteousness. People wanted to kill this woman - because she was caught having sex with somone besides her husband. Killing her would not have solved anything.

Pedophiles however - have actual victims. I am a sinner myself, and I'd cast the first ten stones. Then crush his esophagus. And let God deal with me as he so chooses.

"judge not lest ye be judged" - again - often tossed out of context.

Moses himself appointed MANY judges over Israel. All men judge. This is a fact of life. You see and acknowledge - and make a decision about that situation, whether it is good or bad, right or wrong, sometiems you are indifferent - sometiems you are angry. This is judgement. This quote you threw is again - aimed at sinful self righteousness and it quite simply says to the judger - remember, you TOO are a sinner - have you dealt with your own life? Remember too that inside of old Mosaic law - even a man who had sex with an animal was put to death. God was very harsh about shit in the old days.

Also bear in mind this rather unique attribute of (YHWH) God - knowing man's vengeful spirit - had set up certain "safe cities" that a person could flee to if he had killed somone accidentally. If he got there before the "avenger of blood" reached him - he was to stay there for a period of several years. If he stayed put for the time - he was not to be touched after he left. But if he roamed - the avenger of blood was free to kill him.

But as for my own judgement:

I am a Christian.

I am a sinner.

I got a lot of hangups and bullshit in my closet.

I have problems.

I struggle.

Crowley's Quote: dont know him, or his writings. Its agood and powerful statement, a condensed version fo New Testament writing on the subject of Love. I agree with its context. But loving to no bounds does not or should not equate to a lack of justice, which includes punishment for crimes. To destroy a child you often destroy several generations of the future. The price is high. There must be justice. And you must stop the disease if you will.

And Ted Bundy by the way - disagrees with your stement that you are born with it.

His testimony before death states that he was normal and healthy - until as a child, certain pornagraphy (we can throw other stimuli in here - such as sexual abuse, environemtn, whatever) was introduced to him that began a downward cycle and as he further indulged himself the further downward he slid until he "became" what he was.

But the choice is yours.

If you are able to track and "save" (cure) these child predators then God Bless you for your efforts.

But anyone who came to my home to do harm to my family would get bled quickly and quietly. This likewise, is MY choice. A response - to the choice of the predator who chose the wrong home.

Steven

[Psycrow]

???

That was the most unintellengent, grabasstic, nonsence Ive ever heard.

Ted Bundy was born with what he had, "he disagreed with my statement"- like a psyco like that knows anything about psycology, or like you would know what was really in his head? If anything the "porn" just lit the fuse that was allready there.

And thats the bottom line, cause Psycrow, said so.

[The_Dark]

???

That was the most unintellengent, grabasstic, nonsence Ive ever heard.

Ted Bundy was born with what he had, "he disagreed with my statement"- like a psyco like that knows anything about psycology, or like you would know what was really in his head? If anything the "porn" just lit the fuse that was allready there.

And thats the bottom line, cause Psycrow, said so.

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Exactly how was that "unintellengent, grabasstic, nonsence"? And what exactly is grabasstic? Your inability to understand an arguement does not make it wrong.

For your information being psychotic does not preclude you from understanding psycology. Infact, many people who are extremly fucked in the head understand exactly how fucked up they are and exactly whats "Wrong" with them.

Nothing is the way it is because you say so. Deal with it.

[Vater Araignee]

Judge not least ye be judged yourself-God

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone-Jesus Christ

True love know no boudns-Sabashtion Crowley

Before anyone blows a gasket, anyone who "forces" themselves on an unwilling or defenceless person, espessally a child, should be removed and  placed where no one is in danger. Pheodaphillea is a mental diease one is born with and cannot help. Its the same as hating black people for being born black and vice versa.

Treat the problem, not the symptoms-Archamedieas.

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May I ask you something?

Are you a pedophiliac?

It sounds like it to me because those are the kind of defense that they use.

As a victim my self I happen to know that what you are saying is simply a total load of "BULL FUCKING SHIT" .

Most pedophiliacs where molested as children.

Out of the know cases of victims that don't end up committing suicide, approximately 30% end up habituating the problem (are you saying that they all where predisposed to it any way?), approximately 40% become some kind of violent sexual offender, and almost all of us admit to fear that it will happen to our children and hold zero trust for even the most trust worthy of our families when it comes to our kids.

And Ill tell you what considering.

I don't care how I'm judged in my "Righteous Indignation" I will judge.

I'm no molester so so I will cast the first stone at one, so I can knock them out and run my experiments.

And my true love for my children means that I will kill scores hundreds thousands billions of innocent people if that's what it takes to protect them.

My babies are more important than me and ANY one that would harm them deserves no less than the earthly damnation that only a mind which seethes with hate can create. Jail is to good for them, death is too is to good for them, let the victims have their revenge as many times as they need it.

Oh by the way a person does not choose their color, however A molester does choose to act upon their thoughts otherwise the would not be one.

All of your POINTS are inaccurate at best.

[Steven]

???

That was the most unintellengent, grabasstic, nonsence Ive ever heard.

Ted Bundy was born with what he had, "he disagreed with my statement"- like a psyco like that knows anything about psycology, or like you would know what was really in his head? If anything the "porn" just lit the fuse that was allready there.

And thats the bottom line, cause Psycrow, said so.

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well this one certainly shook me......

[Psycrow]

Judge not least ye be judged yourself-God

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone-Jesus Christ

True love know no boudns-Sabashtion Crowley

Before anyone blows a gasket, anyone who "forces" themselves on an unwilling or defenceless person, espessally a child, should be removed and  placed where no one is in danger. Pheodaphillea is a mental diease one is born with and cannot help. Its the same as hating black people for being born black and vice versa.

Treat the problem, not the symptoms-Archamedieas.

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I miss quoted myself, it was Galvin, not Archamedieas

[Goth Brooks]

paedophilia is as much a mental disease as homosexuality, sadism, masochism, cross-dressing, bestiality, etc, et al, ad nauseum, so on and so forth.

it's not a mental disease, it's a sexual preference.. and unfortunately for the bastards unlucky enough to have it, it's extremely apprehensible, immoral, and illegal to practice.

[Paint it Black]

Ted Bundy's claims that porno was the culprit was a lie. It was the master manipulator attempting to blame someone or something else for the crimes he committed.

Also, keep in mind who was doing the interviewing. It was a Christian guy who was crusading against pornography and made Ted his poster boy.

Ted Bundy was an abomination, a man driven soley by greed. Every decision he ever made was to satisfy his own enternal demons (for lack of a better word).

Ted volunteered to work the phones on a rape hotline. Do you think he did it because he cared about the victims or because he got off on it?

It's the latter.

Concerning child molesters, they need very harsh prison sentences. I would rather a drug dealer or armed robber to go free before a child rapist or adult rapist for that matter. These people are driven by something most of us cannot understand and need to be taken from society for as long as possible.

One thing that gets me is sex offender registries. If you let a guy out of prison and then have to inform the local area he moves too, then the guy probably doesn't need to be out of prison. If he is still a threat, he shouldn't be out. End of story.

[nodrew]

paedophilia is as much a mental disease as homosexuality, sadism, masochism, cross-dressing, bestiality, etc, et al, ad nauseum, so on and so forth.

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So what you're trying to imply here is that Homosexuality is NOT a mental disease... Damn am I behind the times.

[nodrew]

Seriously though. When a sexual preference causes this much harm on the recipient of their "desire," then it is no longer being done on a level that can be considered loving and caring. In fact many times these individuals don't think of the consequences of their actions and how it is going to effect the child. It is for this reason that Pedophelia IS a mental disease.

It isn't the preference, so much as the fact that the individuals commiting it are unable to see the rammifications of their actions.

The fact is, most Pedophiles are also rapists. Only the children rarely know what is going on or that they can say no.

[Paint it Black]

Seriously though. When a sexual preference causes this much harm on the recipient of their "desire," then it is no longer being done on a level that can be considered loving and caring.

It is not a 'sexual preference' just like rape is not a sexual preference. It is a crime.

Sex doesn't have to be loving or caring to be enjoyed, but it is not a crime to have sex without love.

In fact many times these individuals don't think of the consequences of their actions and how it is going to effect the child. It is for this reason that Pedophelia IS a mental disease.

No, it's a crime. Among the worst. Sexual deviancy is not a mental sickness in and of itself. It may be the by-product of some other mental disorder (which many criminals have to some extent) but there is not some magical 'kid sex' disease.

I think these men and women are certainly aware of the consequences of their actions. They know what they are doing is wrong, which is why they go to such lengths to hide their crimes.

If they did not know what they were doing was wrong then they'de be hitting on 8 year olds like I hit on 18 year olds, which is often...

It isn't the preference, so much as the fact that the individuals commiting it are unable to see the rammifications of their actions.

Again I respectfully, but strongly disagree.

The fact is, most Pedophiles are also rapists. Only the children rarely know what is going on or that they can say no.

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Doesn't matter if kids can or cannot say no, or if they do or don't say no. They are children and deemed by society to be incapable of making such decisions.

And I would claim that ALL pedophiles are rapists or potential rapists and should be dealt with as such.

[Goth Brooks]

I really enjoy reading your posts PIB, and I agreed with most of this one except the end.

And I would claim that ALL pedophiles are rapists or potential rapists and should be dealt with as such.

Although that is quite true, the same could be said for soldiers and vets being potential murderers... should they be dealt with as such?

[LuluVox]

I really enjoy reading your posts PIB, and I agreed with most of this one except the end.

Although that is quite true, the same could be said for soldiers and vets being potential murderers... should they be dealt with as such?

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Uh, until the military starts forcing people to rape children to help out the country, this comparison is just silly.

[Paint it Black]

I really enjoy reading your posts PIB, and I agreed with most of this one except the end.

Although that is quite true, the same could be said for soldiers and vets being potential murderers... should they be dealt with as such?

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Well, war is not considered to be murder.

That being said, there are certainly sone soldiers who do murder...

Some soldiers have been treated as murders, Nazi and Imperial Japanese war criminals come to mind. And rightfully so, they did actually murder people.

But if we are just discussing killing during a war, in an active combat zone of a hostile enemy or the death of a bystandard during a military op, then no.

It really depends on the situation in which the person died and the reason why they died.

Pushing a bound Iraqi prisoner into the Tigris river IS murder and the soldiers responsible for that crime are being prosecuted.

But a soldier returning fire on a building containing the enemy AND innocent civilians is not murder. It's a tragedy, to be sure, but not murder.

MHO, of course.

[phee]

I think that we should do the "Eye for an eye" thing like in the bible... the abuser in question should be raped by children to show that... wait... um no... I got it.... The abuser thould be forced to be molested and have sex with a person older than them... um.... no wait.... I will have to think this through some more.

[nodrew]

You steal, we cut off your hand ... you molest, we cut off your ....

[Paint it Black]

How about we just burn them at the stake?

[TomCat]

I'd say death by woodchipper. :doh

[detroitrequiem]

Being a school teacher I hear a lot of horrible things about child abuse and neglect all the time. You can blame it on the system, you can blame on their environment. In the end, no child should have to suffer in any way due to other's sexual or mental problems. Life is hard but we all make choices good or bad. There is no excuse for the rape of innocence.

you know a pervert, let me know

SEND IN THE NINJA

I'll take care of the problem for free

robert

[Steven]

Uh, until the military starts forcing people to rape children to help out the country, this comparison is just silly.

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THANK YOU!!!!

Steven, a proud US Army non children raping Vet.