U.S. joins call for emergency action

[Blackmail]

actually all of the security counsil agreed saddam was being less than honest with UNSCUM but they disagreed on how to go about getting him to comply.

[Wounds Within]

Today Iranian nutjob president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said that his country has enriched uranium for the very first time.

He also said Iran now has produced enough low grade enriched uranium to power nuclear plants.

This is not good.

[Goth Brooks]

yep, even Saddam did that when Iraq was getting it's ass kicked....just toss a few bombs at Israel seems to be the last act of desperation for middle eastern tyrants.  Didn't syria even lob a missle into Israel a couple years ago?

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You seem to misunderstand the reasoning behind that. If Israel retaliates against a muslim attack like that, it's almost assured that the rest of the arab nations would use it as an excuse to jump in on Israel. Palestine/Israel is one thing, Israel/anyone else, is quite another.

Israel's been a pain in the arabs' ass since they've trounced almost each one of them single handedly years ago.. they all want payback.

Personally, I read quite a few pieces that stated the general teen-30yr old population of Iran is in HUGE favour of america's way of living.... attacking and turning that population against us would not be a smart move.

Wait a few decades for the old bastards to die, let freedom ring.

[Marblez]

I will admit that this is probably not a very informed post. I have not followed the subject or even read all of the above. My attention span only allows small doses. But here is my input for today:

I'd bet that Iran is gambling on anti (iraq) war sentiment and the already taxed US forces. What better time do they have? Hell the US is practically fighting a war with itself already. Hell, this is the perfect time for them to move in and take control of their long time enemy, Iraq.

[Blackmail]

You seem to misunderstand the reasoning behind that.  If Israel retaliates against a muslim attack like that, it's almost assured that the rest of the arab nations would use it as an excuse to jump in on Israel.  Palestine/Israel is one thing, Israel/anyone else, is quite another.

Israel's been a pain in the arabs' ass since they've trounced almost each one of them single handedly years ago..  they all want payback.

Personally, I read quite a few pieces that stated the general teen-30yr old population of Iran is in HUGE favour of america's way of living.... attacking and turning that population against us would not be a smart move.

Wait a few decades for the old bastards to die, let freedom ring.

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What exactly makes you think I don't unberstand and what is it that you are accusing me of not understanding? Have you read any of my posts in regards to the middle east? I typed out the whole freaking history of Palestine in here once.

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

true, Blackmail, you did type out most of the history of palestine, but you forgot when Moses yelled at Yul Brenner-Ra to "let my people go"

[Wounds Within]

I typed out the whole freaking history of Palestine in here once.

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Good times.

[Hellheart]

The fun part is, Iran has supported the majority of terrorist attacks on us.

Remember when Saddam tried to invade Iran? And Iran didn't get any help, but Saddam's a stupid military leader and Iran eventually counter-invaded. And suddenly, oh no, fundamentalists might control Iraq's oil, we have to get involved. So let's sink Iran's entire fleet in a day, and start supplying Saddam. And Iran can lose thousands of people and a war they should have won, and were justified in winning since they were attacked first. They won't hate us, no. Our real enemy after that was *SADDAM*.

Iran's too big for us to take down (Edit: alone anyway. So the UN doesn't help much, since we're still most of the UN's troops). Of course, Iran's next to Iraq. Guess where most of the insurgents are coming from?

I hate US politics.

[The_Dark]

Hrmmmm... You seem to be forgetting that Iran and the US were allies until 1979 when the Fundamentalists took over the country, held our people hostage, and all diplomatic ties with them were cut.

People also seem to fail to realize that we may have helped Saddam out, but he was never our ally. We helped him just enough to keep him in the fight. We wanted both Iraq and iran too busy killing each other to invade other countries.

This was less about oil then it was containment.

[Hellheart]

The issue here is with the fundamentalists themselves, however. Because we lashed out at the fundamentalists, supporting Saddam specifically because we did not want fundamentalists to control Iraq also, they've got a damn good reason to hate us. They'd probably still hate us anyway, but it's hard to argue with reasoning like that now.

The problem with Iraq and Iran fighting is that Iran is quite a bit bigger, and Iran also has the money to support more subversive activities. I understand that it would have been damn hard to just crush Iran and get away with it. But I think it would have been nice if we had focused on Iran first, since a UN team did find traces of weapons-grade uranium there (granted, it was chalked up as coming from contaminated containers from Afghanistan, I think, but there were at least traces) in Iran. It would have been impossible to control, it'd be more of a sweep operation, so even if we desired to, we wouldn't have done it. But it wasn't even mentioned, really, at all. Iran was just kind of skimmed over by the public, allowing it to continue to push towards becoming a nuclear power.

I'm not saying we could have acted better, because I'm not sure if that was possible. I'm certainly saying that we should have paid more attention to the situation in Iran, at least pushing at it more than we did at North Korea. China's backing NK; nothing that powerful is backing Iran, last I checked, that isn't attacking us in some way already

[phee]

Hrmmmm... You seem to be forgetting that Iran and the US were allies until 1979 when the Fundamentalists took over the country, held our people hostage, and all diplomatic ties with them were cut.

People also seem to fail to realize that we may have helped Saddam out, but he was never our ally. We helped him just enough to keep him in the fight. We wanted both Iraq and iran too busy killing each other to invade other countries.

This was less about oil then it was containment.

I love the fact that Saddam Hussain has the keys the city of Detroit (lol)

And I love the footage from the 80's of Rumsfeld shaking hands with him

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

I love the fact that Saddam Hussain has the keys the city of Detroit (lol)

And I love the footage from the 80's of Rumsfeld shaking hands with him

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Like Kawame, like Saddam(e) ... ok that was bad.

As to the footage of Saddam and Rumsfeld, that is classic. It is in the same class as the footage of Neville Chamberlain shaking hands with Adolf Hitler and saying "Mr. Hitler has assured me that we will have peace in our time" (or somthing to that effect). Its interresting to see the lenghts politicians will go with those they despise just to get somthing they want from them.