Pentagon Wasn't Hit By Plane

[know_buddy_kares]

Pilots for 9/11 Truth obtained black box data from the government under the Freedom of Information Act for AA Flight 77, which The 9/11 Report claims hit the Pentagon. Analysis of the data contradicts the official account in direction, approach, and altitude. The plane was too high to hit lamp posts and would have flown over the Pentagon, not impacted with its ground floor. This result confirms and strengthens the previous findings of Scholars for 9/11 Truth that no Boeing 757 hit the buillding.

The full yahoo article can be found here

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I take note they are selling a new book...

[Scary Guy]

"Proof for all you conspiracy theorists to feel justified."

I don't need proof, I already knew this.

[Marblez]

I am not wholly concerned either way. I would add to Gaf's response and say that this link is not a news article but is a Press Release. There is a BIG BIG difference there.

I would theorize that the plane was shot down and something else hit the building...maybe just a portion of the plane.

If I were in charge and a large plane was heading toward the Pentagon - passengers or no passengers, it would be blown to bits. Would there be an attempt to cover that up...given a reasonable opportunity, perhaps some would attempt to do so. I wouldn't necessarily blame them. The people that died are dead. There is no changing that. Just imagine the undue added stress on the nation knowing that their own gov't shot them down?

[know_buddy_kares]

I am not wholly concerned either way. I would add to Gaf's response and say that this link is not a news article but is a Press Release. There is a BIG BIG difference there.

I would theorize that the plane was shot down and something else hit the building...maybe just a portion of the plane.

If I were in charge and a large plane was heading toward the Pentagon - passengers or no passengers, it would be blown to bits. Would there be an attempt to cover that up...given a reasonable opportunity, perhaps some would attempt to do so. I wouldn't necessarily blame them. The people that died are dead. There is no changing that. Just imagine the undue added stress on the nation knowing that their own gov't shot them down?

The point is here, the government was caught red handed in a fucking massive lie....AGAIN... the kind alot o people got killed over... and yet no one does anything...

....it smells like bullshit all around and I've grown sick of the apathy this country seems to have adopted lately.

[Marblez]

the kind alot o people got killed over...

Let's say they lied and said the plane crashed into the building. I can go with that. Tell me again who got killed over it?

People died. Yes. People on the plane and people in the building, right? But did they not die prior to any untruths?

[Marblez]

There has been corruption in the government and lies and coverups and scandals since...oh, probably the beginning of civilization. Not just our country and definitely not just the republicans. I sure as hell know that my life would be a great deal more stressed if I was privy to all the governmental secrets and withheld classified information.

[know_buddy_kares]

There has been corruption in the government and lies and coverups and scandals since...oh, probably the beginning of civilization. Not just our country and definitely not just the republicans. I sure as hell know that my life would be a great deal more stressed if I was privy to all the governmental secrets and withheld classified information.

ok you make points, but in rebuttal

1)America is supposed to be BETTER than a THIRD WORLD country.

2)Lies and corruption exist, but god it's pretty obvious that if they lied about the plane hitting the pentagon, then they're hiding something... which honestly, enforces my previous suspicions that they did it themselves.

3)What you don't know IS hurting you. Ever wonder why Michigan has such a shitty economy? Look at the fuck wads in the offices of this state's government, the unions, recent former office holders, and other key people in high power in the private sector.

You can live life in bliss ignorance if you want, and that is in no way intended in being rude. But I'd at least like to see the fist that's about to hit me in the face. If I know it's coming, maybe I can react to dodge most the blow.

[know_buddy_kares]

Let's say they lied and said the plane crashed into the building. I can go with that. Tell me again who got killed over it?

People died. Yes. People on the plane and people in the building, right? But did they not die prior to any untruths?

Um, they DID lie, and that lie being that they said the plane crashed into the building. People in the pentagon were killed, and this is all linked with the world trade center remember... which had a pretty hefty death count.. how'de you miss that on the news?

[Scary Guy]

Um, they DID lie, and that lie being that they said the plane crashed into the building. People in the pentagon were killed

No one important died though, they were all on the other side of the building.

You really want to adopt a tinfoil hat, look up the "Magic Passport".

[Der Nister]

You can live life in bliss ignorance if you want, and that is in no way intended in being rude. But I'd at least like to see the fist that's about to hit me in the face. If I know it's coming, maybe I can react to dodge most the blow.

Unfortunately you can't make the blind see KBK - I realize your response here is passionate towards your feelings on this but, as I've learned when dealing with people - as long as they have their weekend drinking fun, they don't care about truth or justice or even trying to see other points of view.

This country is filled with too many ignorant assholes and that's how we got our current administration and current sorry state of affairs.

The morons out number us.

[Der Nister]

You really want to adopt a tinfoil hat, look up the "Magic Passport".

1. The fireballs of the WTC attacks melted structural steel that was designed to withstand heat of 2000 degrees F.

2. The fireballs of the WTC attacks completely destroyed both airplanes cockpit voice-recorders (situated at front)*and* the black-box data recorders (located in the rear of the aircraft).

3. The fireballs of the WTC attacks vaporized human bone and flesh.

4. And yet those same fireballs somehow weren't strong enough to do anything to a pair of surviving passportsfound in pristine condition. No surface scratches, scuffs, abrasions or burns. Perfect.

My Question: Why doesn't Boeing design a new black-box data recorder manufactured from the same indestructible material used to produce magical Saudi passports?

[Der Nister]

Magic Passports

[Marblez]

1)America is supposed to be BETTER than a THIRD WORLD country.

2)Lies and corruption exist, but god it's pretty obvious that if they lied about the plane hitting the pentagon, then they're hiding something... which honestly, enforces my previous suspicions that they did it themselves.

3)What you don't know IS hurting you. Ever wonder why Michigan has such a shitty economy? Look at the fuck wads in the offices of this state's government, the unions, recent former office holders, and other key people in high power in the private sector.

You can live life in bliss ignorance if you want, and that is in no way intended in being rude. But I'd at least like to see the fist that's about to hit me in the face. If I know it's coming, maybe I can react to dodge most the blow.

1) Do you not eat better food, drink cleaner water, have access to a better education, feel safer from predators/crime and have greater opportunities than those in a 3rd world country? If not, quite honestly you might wish to relocate. The America that you live in must really suck.

2) Did it themselves? I suppose that you think they had a hand in the WTC attack also, or was that just a massive coincidence? Perhaps they were sitting on the plans to blow a hole in the side of the pentagon and assassinate particular gov't employees - and when the WTC was attacked they said "Now is as good of a time as any" and put their plan into action carting in whatever debris they could find to make it a plausible lie. What DID happen to the rest of that plane?

3) Why does Michigan have a poor economy? IMO, it is because

a)YOU AND I (and everyone else) have not voted in the right officials (the ones with crystal balls),

b)Michigan has focused for eons on manufacturing - those jobs are not in good supply anymore due to global supply and our workforce is not willing or able to adapt to the changing global market

and c) WalMart.

[BrassFusion]

This whole thing smells like it could be a hoax. If it is, that'll surface pretty quickly.

I sure hope it isn't.

[Marblez]

People in the pentagon were killed, and this is all linked with the world trade center remember... which had a pretty hefty death count..

Didn't Bin Laden already take credit for the plane crashes? Tell me how officials lying after the fact about what exactly hit the pentagon caused more deaths?

this is all linked with the world trade center remember... which had a pretty hefty death count.. how'de you miss that on the news?

I must have been painting my nails that day....

But seriously, I understand that I may be permissive with certain aspects of society/government but that des not make me an imbecile.

[Marblez]

This country is filled with too many ignorant assholes and that's how we got our current administration and current sorry state of affairs.

The morons out number us.

Luckily for everyone, most ignorant assholes don't even vote.

[Scary Guy]

1) Do you not eat better food, drink cleaner water, have access to a better education, feel safer from predators/crime and have greater opportunities than those in a 3rd world country? If not, quite honestly you might wish to relocate. The America that you live in must really suck.

That's not what he means and you know it. We're supposed to be better as in have higher standards of right and wrong. I'm pretty sure killing your own countrymen to push your own goals forward is wrong.

2) Did it themselves? I suppose that you think they had a hand in the WTC attack

YES!!! Maybe not the Pentagon itself but people in our government for sure.

3) Why does Michigan have a poor economy? IMO, it is because

a)YOU AND I (and everyone else) have not voted in the right officials (the ones with crystal balls),

b)Michigan has focused for eons on manufacturing - those jobs are not in good supply anymore due to global supply and our workforce is not willing or able to adapt to the changing global market

and c) WalMart.

The USA has a poor economy because the rich (who are in power) want to keep it that way. The rich get richer and us poor folk get even poorer. The fact that most are career politicians doesn't help either. As long as they live fancy lives they'll never see a reason for things to change.

Didn't Bin Laden already take credit for the plane crashes? Tell me how officials lying after the fact about what exactly hit the pentagon caused more deaths?

I must have been painting my nails that day....

First any terrorist organization would just jump at the chance to say "WE DID IT" just for the recognition and street cred. Then not to mention we put Bin Laden into power in the first place.

Robin Cook, former leader of the British House of Commons and Foreign Secretary from 1997-2001, wrote in The Guardian on Friday, July 8, 2005,

Bin Laden was, though, a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies. Throughout the 80s he was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan. Al-Qaida, literally "the database", was originally the computer file of the thousands of mujahideen who were recruited and trained with help from the CIA to defeat the Russians.

Finally, when exactly did we go to Iraq again? I don't think it was before the attacks.

Luckily for everyone, most ignorant assholes don't even vote.

This I completely agree with. Though the ones that do usually don't have a clue about what they're voting for and just go along with their party.

[Der Nister]

Luckily for everyone, most ignorant assholes don't even vote.

Not sure what misinformation you're working with (though I'm sure any will do) but if you feel a need to attack me - keep it off the board please.

Remeber the rules - keep it friendly.

[Scary Guy]

Not sure what misinformation you're working with (though I'm sure any will do) but if you feel a need to attack me - keep it off the board please.

Remeber the rules - keep it friendly.

Hey I didn't vote either (Bush was going to win anyhow, it was rigged), but I don't think this was a direct attack on anyone, just a blanket statement. I didn't see anything in the rules about blanket statements that cover everyone, just specific attacks against individuals. Or rather not attacking anyone, but attacking everyone instead.

I AM KING OF THE LOOPHOLE!

[Black Monday]

You conspiracy people have already been refuted. Sorry Scarey Guy but you don't know what you're talking about. Every independant investigation has concluded you're wrong. You would have to have over 100 different agencies lie. None of the conspiracy people have every done any actual investigations.

Now as for the article.....IT WAS WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDER OF THE SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH and as I've noted in the past, these guys are widely considered loons as none of them work in any field of expertise related to 9/11. IT WAS NOT A NEWS ARTICLE but rather a press release. No other news agency reported this. It was just a feed from the Jim Fetzer press release.

If this was an actual fidning, don't you think it would be much bigger news? Are you guys that gullible to believe all this crap that has been refuted by actual investigators?

Popular Mechanics has already debunked the Pilots for 911 truth (who most are not actual pilots) and the 911 scholars. Did you bother to read any of their scathing attack on the conspiracies? These Purdue Profs http://campustechnology.com/articles/48824/ did a simulation of 9/11. It's far better than all the conspiracy theories that have already been refuted.

[sass_in_the_pants]

Oh lordy.

Not this again.

[BrassFusion]

You conspiracy people have already been refuted. Sorry Scarey Guy but you don't know what you're talking about. Every independant investigation has concluded you're wrong. You would have to have over 100 different agencies lie. None of the conspiracy people have every done any actual investigations.

Now as for the article.....IT WAS WRITTEN BY THE FOUNDER OF THE SCHOLARS FOR 9/11 TRUTH and as I've noted in the past, these guys are widely considered loons as none of them work in any field of expertise related to 9/11. IT WAS NOT A NEWS ARTICLE but rather a press release. No other news agency reported this. It was just a feed from the Jim Fetzer press release.

If this was an actual fidning, don't you think it would be much bigger news? Are you guys that gullible to believe all this crap that has been refuted by actual investigators?

Popular Mechanics has already debunked the Pilots for 911 truth (who most are not actual pilots) and the 911 scholars. Did you bother to read any of their scathing attack on the conspiracies? These Purdue Profs http://campustechnology.com/articles/48824/ did a simulation of 9/11. It's far better than all the conspiracy theories that have already been refuted.

Did their simulations include data from flight recorders? And if so, why were the P911T simulations incorrect where the Purdue simulations were? What exactly was miscalculated?

[Msterbeau]

My airplane was hit by the Pentagon once. It was great.

[know_buddy_kares]

This whole thing smells like it could be a hoax. If it is, that'll surface pretty quickly.

I sure hope it isn't.

Honestly, this is one of the things I've posted that I don't think is a hoax, if it is, it's going to really put embarasment on yahoo. However, if you read the article, it states certain facts about recent findings. It looks pretty legit to me too IMO.

And scary guy, thanks again for taking the words out of my mouth, however.. to add to that rebuttal you made to Marble's rebuttal to me, just adding on extra info for the whole food for thought (no pun intended about what i'm going to say)

I really don't belive we eat healthier foods. Actually, most of europe and aisia will not accept produce from america because of how we produce our foods.

Feeding cattle junk food, injecting high frutcose corn syrup in practically everything. Geneticly engineered fruits to become larger. For example, an over sized apple actually contains just as much, if not less nutrients than a regular sized apple.

Our foods aren't that healthy.

And marbles, yes I've grown absolutely sick and tired of this nation. This is why I'm using the army to my advantage and am going to try to get stationed in Germany, or somewhere else in Europe. When I finally decide I'm done with the army, I'm not coming back to the states. If I do, I'll be headed in a one way direction to Canada. I'm thoroughly not satisfied with the way this country is being run. And I'm even more upset with the apathy of the citizens, and the refusal to accept simple facts to support the truth of what has actually been going on. It's not just you, it's most everyone in this country. I can't blame you, you got a comortable life, so why would you wanna ruffle feathers and risk it? That's just human nature. But the whole hypocracy of it all. Everyone makes a bid deal out of clinton smoking weed, and banging a fat intern...

yet Bush had done Coke, and does all sorts of fucked up shit that get's people killed all the time in great numbers (the whole bullshit war in iraq, troops continue to die) and no one is even so much as making a peep out of it. Most our freedoms to privacy are getting taken away, and everyone is ok with that. My honest to god opinion, I hope their next move is something that effects you and everyone else personally, like a draft, or martial law. Then maybe people would start giving a shit enough to do something about this crap, and put these greedy fuckstains back in check.