Pentagon Wasn't Hit By Plane

[Homicidalheathen]

Ditto that.

"Proof for all you conspiracy theorists to feel justified."

I don't need proof, I already knew this.

[Marblez]

Hey I didn't vote either (Bush was going to win anyhow, it was rigged), but I don't think this was a direct attack on anyone, just a blanket statement. I didn't see anything in the rules about blanket statements that cover everyone, just specific attacks against individuals. Or rather not attacking anyone, but attacking everyone instead.

I AM KING OF THE LOOPHOLE!

Thanks Scary Guy, you are right this was not targeted at any individual. I don't know who votes or doesn't vote here, don't know and don't care. My only request to anyone who does not vote...if you choose to waste your vote, stop complaining and please don't try to influence mine.

[Scary Guy]

My only request to anyone who does not vote...if you choose to waste your vote, stop complaining and please don't try to influence mine.

I can agree with the last part of the statement but not the first part. Just because someone doesn't vote doesn't invalidate their opinion any (or shouldn't rather).

Besides you get way more progress influencing the votes of many others than just voting yourself.

[Steven]

Honestly, this is one of the things I've posted that I don't think is a hoax, if it is, it's going to really put embarasment on yahoo. However, if you read the article, it states certain facts about recent findings. It looks pretty legit to me too IMO.

And scary guy, thanks again for taking the words out of my mouth, however.. to add to that rebuttal you made to Marble's rebuttal to me, just adding on extra info for the whole food for thought (no pun intended about what i'm going to say)

I really don't belive we eat healthier foods. Actually, most of europe and aisia will not accept produce from america because of how we produce our foods.

Feeding cattle junk food, injecting high frutcose corn syrup in practically everything. Geneticly engineered fruits to become larger. For example, an over sized apple actually contains just as much, if not less nutrients than a regular sized apple.

Our foods aren't that healthy.

And marbles, yes I've grown absolutely sick and tired of this nation. This is why I'm using the army to my advantage and am going to try to get stationed in Germany, or somewhere else in Europe. When I finally decide I'm done with the army, I'm not coming back to the states. If I do, I'll be headed in a one way direction to Canada. I'm thoroughly not satisfied with the way this country is being run. And I'm even more upset with the apathy of the citizens, and the refusal to accept simple facts to support the truth of what has actually been going on. It's not just you, it's most everyone in this country. I can't blame you, you got a comortable life, so why would you wanna ruffle feathers and risk it? That's just human nature. But the whole hypocracy of it all. Everyone makes a bid deal out of clinton smoking weed, and banging a fat intern...

yet Bush had done Coke, and does all sorts of fucked up shit that get's people killed all the time in great numbers (the whole bullshit war in iraq, troops continue to die) and no one is even so much as making a peep out of it. Most our freedoms to privacy are getting taken away, and everyone is ok with that. My honest to god opinion, I hope their next move is something that effects you and everyone else personally, like a draft, or martial law. Then maybe people would start giving a shit enough to do something about this crap, and put these greedy fuckstains back in check.

My my my but this has been an emotional thread.

Tina, I say to you:

Know Body Kares (Vampyro??):

I'm a bit suprised at the tone of some of your more emotional posts....for example you said nobody says a peep about our current president.....that's a little hard to digest, I hear anti bush and lets impeach bush and bush is a mass murderer stuff all the time.

You also mentioned the comfortable life of Marblez tainting her worldview.......how is it that your in her head enough to govern her comfort level? Does Tina not live in MI like the rest of us? Do you think she can relate to stressing the bills? taxation issues? Mortgages? Childcare? Food? heat? gas? Future economic concerns? Quality of life for her kids? When you levy charges like that you make yourself appear to be the only one with a credible amount of experience, and that's a bit misleading. She does live in a country that allows her to form opinions that suit her own goals, much like your doing.

And you dont live in a third world country Bro. You chose to stick it out here in MI after yrou tour, and yes its tough here, but you do eat food every day I assume. You do have potable water. No death squads are banging down your door. You have the ability to voice your opinion. I will be curious to see how easily you transplant to another country after your next tour of duty. I'd also be interested to see how welcomed you are.

nothing in any of this is "simple". and none of us have the complete truth.

If your done with America then by all means, leave.

But if its the apethy of the everyday citizen that trouobles you the most, and your opinions of the facts are so clear, perhaps what you need to do is lead, teach, and become a voice.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I just want to point out.. Steel melts at 2500 Degrees F. you cant change that... Jet Fuel ranges from 800 F to 1500 F (depends on how long it has burning.. the longer... the hotter). This is the fact that many of these conspiraces are built on... the part that they either don't know, ignore and try to hide.. Steel looses 90% of it's tensile strength at 700F

So, a piece of steel that can hold up 100 pounds at room temp can only hold up 10 pounds at 700F...

Tin Foil hats for everyone.

[Msterbeau]

I just want to point out.. Steel melts at 2500 Degrees F. you cant change that... Jet Fuel ranges from 800 F to 1500 F (depends on how long it has burning.. the longer... the hotter). This is the fact that many of these conspiraces are built on... the part that they either don't know, ignore and try to hide.. Steel looses 90% of it's tensile strength at 700F

So, a piece of steel that can hold up 100 pounds at room temp can only hold up 10 pounds at 700F...

Tin Foil hats for everyone.

I prefer Devo's power domes.

[know_buddy_kares]

My my my but this has been an emotional thread.

Tina, I say to you:

Know Body Kares (Vampyro??):

I'm a bit suprised at the tone of some of your more emotional posts....for example you said nobody says a peep about our current president.....that's a little hard to digest, I hear anti bush and lets impeach bush and bush is a mass murderer stuff all the time.

You also mentioned the comfortable life of Marblez tainting her worldview.......how is it that your in her head enough to govern her comfort level? Does Tina not live in MI like the rest of us? Do you think she can relate to stressing the bills? taxation issues? Mortgages? Childcare? Food? heat? gas? Future economic concerns? Quality of life for her kids? When you levy charges like that you make yourself appear to be the only one with a credible amount of experience, and that's a bit misleading. She does live in a country that allows her to form opinions that suit her own goals, much like your doing.

And you dont live in a third world country Bro. You chose to stick it out here in MI after yrou tour, and yes its tough here, but you do eat food every day I assume. You do have potable water. No death squads are banging down your door. You have the ability to voice your opinion. I will be curious to see how easily you transplant to another country after your next tour of duty. I'd also be interested to see how welcomed you are.

nothing in any of this is "simple". and none of us have the complete truth.

If your done with America then by all means, leave.

But if its the apethy of the everyday citizen that trouobles you the most, and your opinions of the facts are so clear, perhaps what you need to do is lead, teach, and become a voice.

Wow, didn't mean to make it sound that emotional lol.

Ok to cover some of the things you said, most all of it was generalized, because every specific person it could possibly apply to is a case by case basis. I'm talking about the politics involved by not making a peep. I mean hell, the republicans were all over Clinton with his joint smoking and lying about it, also with his wild oats with Monica.

Yet for all the shit Bush as pulled, I don't see any polititian making a fuss like they did over clinton. That's what I was aiming at, sorry I wasn't more specific in that event.

And I was not trying to single Tina out in any way. It was just an example that when your comfortable with life, you really don't want to ruffle too many feathers. That's a trait that's common in both of us, sorta along the lines that if it aint broke, don't fix it. Again, I wish to appologize if it looked like I was singling Tina out for her views, i respect her views just as much as i respect my own. I try my best to debate a difference of opinion without forfeiting that respect if I disagree with someone else's opinion. I'm just trying to say, if something like a draft were to be instated, then people would start trying to take action as it would effect their personal lives more.

And about this country, no, I don't get a chance to eat every day. As hard as I tried, I'm not able to find a job that can cut it for me. The only ones I found available are part time jobs for under 10 an hour. I knew coming back home upon getting out of the USMC would mean a rough economy, but I wasn't expecting it to be this rough. I felt my chances at the time were best taken where my family and friends are for the support if i need it. This has obviously been a very rough 2 years for me. And as for me being welcomed in a different country over in europe, I'm really not that afraid of such things. I oddly get along with people from Europe alot easier than I do here, I've a few online pals on msn that I've met that are from Europe or live there still.

My plans involving the army are better thought out than when I joined the USMC, this time I'm picking army for a wider selection of jobs I can do, I aim to pick one that will give me experiences that will work well to my advantage in finding a better paying job should I choose to not re enlist after my 3 years are up. Chances are, I'll want to re enlist for another 3 years though.

True this isn't a thirld world country, but there's better places out there. I intend to do a bit of looking around in Europe when I get there.

Also, when not doing any army related stuff, I'm going to use my free time for college education. Alot of things were holding me back from doing this when I was in the Marines, and fortunately my time spent here after getting out allowed

me take care of these things that the Marines didn't allow me to take care of when I was in the service then.

[know_buddy_kares]

I just want to point out.. Steel melts at 2500 Degrees F. you cant change that... Jet Fuel ranges from 800 F to 1500 F (depends on how long it has burning.. the longer... the hotter). This is the fact that many of these conspiraces are built on... the part that they either don't know, ignore and try to hide.. Steel looses 90% of it's tensile strength at 700F

So, a piece of steel that can hold up 100 pounds at room temp can only hold up 10 pounds at 700F...

Tin Foil hats for everyone.

Hmm good point, however no one tried getting into the physics and mechanics of how the twin towers went down. I made a reference saying that the twin towers being attacked, and the pentagon seem very related to me. There's proof out there that supports the story, like the metal pillars temperatures, then there's also proof that contradicts the government's story when it comes to the twin towers. Either way you look at it, it's obvious that the the story isn't completely true.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I've seen all the CRAP that denounces the plane hitting the Pentagon. CRAP it is. They claim there were no bodys... except for all the bodys parts and such that were taken out... they claim thier were no engines... except for the parts of the engines that are laying around in photos... "the hole was too small" CRAP. Their proof photos are obscured by the smoke and flame. You cant see the complete hole. "there wasn;t enough fire" CRAP... read a bit about how jet fuel burns in open air... slowly... and gets hotter and hotter with larger and larger flames as time goes on. and really... what about all the damn fire and smoke in the pics.

Most of the "proof" that it didn;t happen and that the towers were inside job are based on you not knowing anything. All you have to do is look at thier proof and just fact check it. Watch that movie sparechange or what efver the piece of CRAP wsa called. Thier "proof" is all halve truths and just plain bald faced lies. You have to be a complete moronic sheep to follow that line of CRAP.

but really... ask ktkatp. Her ex-husband was there.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

and yeah.. the two attacks were related. Along with Flight 93. It was an Al-Quida plot finianced by the Taliban in Afghanastan.

Get over your hatred for Bush. you want to hate him, fine, thats your right. Blaming him for every evil that has taken place in the last few years just makes you look like a paranoid sheep.

btw.. The Repubilicans went after Clinton because he lied in front of Congress while under oath. That is against the Law. Thats what they impeached him for, not for getting a blow job. Bush may or may not have lied... doesn't matter.. he was never under oath and so broke no law.

[know_buddy_kares]

I've seen all the CRAP that denounces the plane hitting the Pentagon. CRAP it is. They claim there were no bodys... except for all the bodys parts and such that were taken out... they claim thier were no engines... except for the parts of the engines that are laying around in photos... "the hole was too small" CRAP. Their proof photos are obscured by the smoke and flame. You cant see the complete hole. "there wasn;t enough fire" CRAP... read a bit about how jet fuel burns in open air... slowly... and gets hotter and hotter with larger and larger flames as time goes on. and really... what about all the damn fire and smoke in the pics.

Most of the "proof" that it didn;t happen and that the towers were inside job are based on you not knowing anything. All you have to do is look at thier proof and just fact check it. Watch that movie sparechange or what efver the piece of CRAP wsa called. Thier "proof" is all halve truths and just plain bald faced lies. You have to be a complete moronic sheep to follow that line of CRAP.

but really... ask ktkatp. Her ex-husband was there.

I KNOW planes hit the fuckin towers already dude, what i'm saying is it wasn't really terrorists. our government knew about it AND LET IT HAPPEN. That's the shit i'm talking about. Yes it was a legit attack, but it wasn't an attack without inside help to accomplish.

Oh and another thing... we are talking about the PENTAGON not getting hit by a plane.. NOT THE TWIN TOWERS... just thought i'd bring that up since it's looking like you missed that little detail.

[know_buddy_kares]

DOUBLE POST

[know_buddy_kares]

and yeah.. the two attacks were related. Along with Flight 93. It was an Al-Quida plot finianced by the Taliban in Afghanastan.

Get over your hatred for Bush. you want to hate him, fine, thats your right. Blaming him for every evil that has taken place in the last few years just makes you look like a paranoid sheep.

btw.. The Repubilicans went after Clinton because he lied in front of Congress while under oath. That is against the Law. Thats what they impeached him for, not for getting a blow job. Bush may or may not have lied... doesn't matter.. he was never under oath and so broke no law.

and bush isn't lying under oath then?? heh, he did exactly what clinton did, but lied through his teeth about even worse things than a dooby and some nookie. Talk about your double standard vision....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

No, he (the president) has never testified under oath in front of Congress. Clinton did and got caught in a lie. Clinton's sex life should never have been brought up, I'll give you that... but it was, he lied and got caught. Bush said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and that was justification for the war. History says that he did (We sold them to him, the Russians sold them to him... the list goes on. He used them on many occasions. During the Iran war he used chemical and biological warheads from artillery on a regular basis. He killed over 100,000 Kurds with them.) Every intelligence agency in the world said he had them. UN weapons inspectors saw them, tagged them and cataloged them. The question is not "DID he have WMD's?" it's "Where the fuck did he hide them or who did he sell them too". Not finding something is not proof that it is not there. That is even more true when you know god damn well that it was there a few months before.

People are so damn wrapped up in hatred for Bush that they are letting themselves be lead by the nose down the road to crazy town to get a drink of the grape koolaide from a crazy straw. They are forget history... what had already been proven to be true because it doesn't support what they want to believe.

"Bush Lied!" You hate him, so you blame him for the failure of the UN, the CIA, every other major intelligence group and the last 50 years of policy.

"The Government was behind the attacks!!" You hate Bush and the republicans. They won two elections you wanted them to loose. So your demonizing them to justify childish rage and not getting your way.

America the spoiled rotten 5 year old.

[know_buddy_kares]

No, he (the president) has never testified under oath in front of Congress. Clinton did and got caught in a lie. Clinton's sex life should never have been brought up, I'll give you that... but it was, he lied and got caught.

so i guess oath makes any moral difference? a lie is still a lie. And who got hurt over clinton's duby and chasing poontang? Bush lied about plenty of things, to include the WMD's in Iraq..

Bush said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction and that was justification for the war. History says that he did (We sold them to him, the Russians sold them to him... the list goes on. He used them on many occasions. During the Iran war he used chemical and biological warheads from artillery on a regular basis. He killed over 100,000 Kurds with them.) Every intelligence agency in the world said he had them. UN weapons inspectors saw them, tagged them and cataloged them. The question is not "DID he have WMD's?" it's "Where the fuck did he hide them or who did he sell them too". Not finding something is not proof that it is not there. That is even more true when you know god damn well that it was there a few months before.

again, you're wrong.. dead wrong my friend. It's already been proven that Sadam has followed the UN rules of peace agreement and hasn't had any WMD's since Desert Storm. There was intel with proof that Sadam did not have any WMD's. Joseph Wilson Plame, an inspector in Iraq came back with information proving that there were never any finds during any inspections. Trust me, they reached so far up Sadam's ass they tickled the back of his teeth. Bush threw a fit over this, and approved the information leak of Joseph's wife, Valerie Plame, that she was in the CIA. This is classified information for a reason, for all their operations, false contracts she shared with other CIA members, this practically outed almost EVERY CIA agent on any current missions she was a part of... a key quote from this NEWS ARTICLE...

"Mr Libby said he was told in July 2003, when he was chief-of-staff to Vice-President Dick Cheney, to give a reporter pre-war intelligence, court papers reveal.

He testified that Mr Cheney had told him to pass information from the classified National Intelligence Estimate to Judith Miller, a New York Times reporter.

Mr Cheney is alleged to have said that the release of classified information had been approved by the president. Mr Libby said he understood this meant he had legal cover to discuss this material. "

People are so damn wrapped up in hatred for Bush that they are letting themselves be lead by the nose down the road to crazy town to get a drink of the grape koolaide from a crazy straw. They are forget history... what had already been proven to be true because it doesn't support what they want to believe.

This is honestly a laugh... If you even came close to practicing what you preach about history, you'd already take notice that the Bush Administration is following almost the exact same steps Hitler has in his World Wars, they're just doing it alot slower. Also, what American news companies report, really report what their sponsors tell them.. most of their sponsors are business partners with Bush revolving around oil in one way or another. Scary Guy provided a chart once with the names of the dwindling sponsors of news people, less sponsors means more control over the media.. it's actually quite simple when you look at it really... And is it any wonder why so many have such a hatred for Bush? True he may not have been under oath, but that's because he's been well protected from getting exposed under the lime light such as the way Clinton was. And what does the analogy of grape cool aid from a crazy straw have to do with anything? Bad analogy. Figure out wich ones are giving the blue coolaid from the stupid straw... you just might be suprised to see exactly what you're drinking from what straw if you ever did a little reasearch rather than post rants of your opinions.

"Bush Lied!"

AND HOW!!! About the most serious and lethal situations! Troops are constantly dying in iraq, planes are running into buildings, pentagon has some crazy shit happen to it that OBVIOUSLY wasn't a plane.. as if you read the article they stated that the black boxes provided mathmatical information that it wasn't possible as proof. His lies have caused alot of deaths, alot of unaswered questions, alot of pain, and alot of suffering for many Americans.

You hate him, so you blame him for the failure of the UN, the CIA, every other major intelligence group and the last 50 years of policy.

Since when did I say he was responsible for our most recent 50 years of history?!?! Things have done such a turn around for the worse on a steady rate since he's been in office. Stop putting words in my mouth to avoid the point of this debate, stay on track please.

"The Government was behind the attacks!!" You hate Bush and the republicans. They won two elections you wanted them to loose. So your demonizing them to justify childish rage and not getting your way.

Ok, first if you did research again, you'd know that they botched the first election horribly. Not that I favored Gore any, but he WAS the rightful president. And they had 4 years to prepare and rig the next election right. Even his opponent, Kerry, was in the same Secret society, same family money, same schools, hell they're even cousins. So incase Bush didn't win, they'd still have a stooge to create some form of mess. Bush's 2nd election was damned either way I look at it. And I have no childish rage, I'm not demonizing anyone. But I will not sugar coat his selfish greed and total disregard for this countries national security that he makes such a big deal about protecting in his speeches.

America the spoiled rotten 5 year old.

Can't argue with you here. I didn't post every article to back up statements I've made to rebut yours. Don't ask me to spoonfeed you by posting these articles either. I highly doubt that you read anything factual on a news site against what you want to belive. You really have showed hypocrisy in yourself for trying to say I was misinformed and carrying on like a 5 year old when there's so much proof that goes against what you say, and you have resorted to insults. Yes gaf, america is the land of the spoiled rotten 5 year olds indeed it seems....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Wilson went to Niger to see if Saddam was buying yellow Cake Uranium. He never set foot in Iraq. You not knowing this tells me that the rest of what your typed is more CRAP that you think you know. You might want to actually start reading the whole news articles instead of headlines. BTW.. Plame is his Wife's maiden name, not his name. She did not change it after they were married. Again.. clueless. Also, you might want to read about the whole investigation into her being outed. That part where she was NOT undercover.. was not on any covert mission and was doing a desk job for the last 7 years. Oh, and that part where it turnes out that she outed herself if anyone did in a book.

Saddam did not comply with any of the 18 or 19 UN resalutions. Where the hell do you get your information? Where have you been since the first gulf war?

Can you give me any proof at all that the yellow boxes support that op-ed piece? Why is that the only article about it?

and you want proof? fine...

An article discussing the 1.8 metric tons of yellow cake uranium that went missing in Iraq after the war...

Do some googling... about yellow cake and Tuwaitha Weapons facility

This page lists all 17 UN resalutions against Saddam and gives the titles of the UN presidents speaches codeming Saddam for breaking them

Hrmm.. I dont see the Hitler connection. I can still own a gun. I don't see manditory national service. I don't see nationalization of private busniness... infact.. I dont see the government getting any closer to a socialists system at all.

I do see 50 years of bad policy coming to a head (and 40 of those years Democrats controlled the house and senate)

Bush won both elections. Deal with it. It was a farce because Gore cried like a spoiled baby when he lost and tried to use the courts to steal it... and got slapped down.

Look, your going to beleive the tin hat people. I'm going to beleive the truth or at least as close as we are going to get to the truth. Just tell em this.. Where are all the people from Flight 77?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Ever bit of proof you could post on the Tin hat theroys can have just as many articles posted that debunk them as the CRAP they are.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Some debunking:

Some eye witness accounts

Popular Mechanics doing some debunking

The BBC debunking

Ausies doing some debunking

San Fransico Chronical debunking

[GARGOYLE FUSIC]

so i guess oath makes any moral difference? a lie is still a lie. And who got hurt over clinton's duby and chasing poontang? Bush lied about plenty of things, to include the WMD's in Iraq..

again, you're wrong.. dead wrong my friend. It's already been proven that Sadam has followed the UN rules of peace agreement and hasn't had any WMD's since Desert Storm. There was intel with proof that Sadam did not have any WMD's. Joseph Wilson Plame, an inspector in Iraq came back with information proving that there were never any finds during any inspections. Trust me, they reached so far up Sadam's ass they tickled the back of his teeth. Bush threw a fit over this, and approved the information leak of Joseph's wife, Valerie Plame, that she was in the CIA. This is classified information for a reason, for all their operations, false contracts she shared with other CIA members, this practically outed almost EVERY CIA agent on any current missions she was a part of... a key quote from this NEWS ARTICLE...

"Mr Libby said he was told in July 2003, when he was chief-of-staff to Vice-President Dick Cheney, to give a reporter pre-war intelligence, court papers reveal.

He testified that Mr Cheney had told him to pass information from the classified National Intelligence Estimate to Judith Miller, a New York Times reporter.

Mr Cheney is alleged to have said that the release of classified information had been approved by the president. Mr Libby said he understood this meant he had legal cover to discuss this material. "

This is honestly a laugh... If you even came close to practicing what you preach about history, you'd already take notice that the Bush Administration is following almost the exact same steps Hitler has in his World Wars, they're just doing it alot slower. Also, what American news companies report, really report what their sponsors tell them.. most of their sponsors are business partners with Bush revolving around oil in one way or another. Scary Guy provided a chart once with the names of the dwindling sponsors of news people, less sponsors means more control over the media.. it's actually quite simple when you look at it really... And is it any wonder why so many have such a hatred for Bush? True he may not have been under oath, but that's because he's been well protected from getting exposed under the lime light such as the way Clinton was. And what does the analogy of grape cool aid from a crazy straw have to do with anything? Bad analogy. Figure out wich ones are giving the blue coolaid from the stupid straw... you just might be suprised to see exactly what you're drinking from what straw if you ever did a little reasearch rather than post rants of your opinions.

AND HOW!!! About the most serious and lethal situations! Troops are constantly dying in iraq, planes are running into buildings, pentagon has some crazy shit happen to it that OBVIOUSLY wasn't a plane.. as if you read the article they stated that the black boxes provided mathmatical information that it wasn't possible as proof. His lies have caused alot of deaths, alot of unaswered questions, alot of pain, and alot of suffering for many Americans.

Since when did I say he was responsible for our most recent 50 years of history?!?! Things have done such a turn around for the worse on a steady rate since he's been in office. Stop putting words in my mouth to avoid the point of this debate, stay on track please.

Ok, first if you did research again, you'd know that they botched the first election horribly. Not that I favored Gore any, but he WAS the rightful president. And they had 4 years to prepare and rig the next election right. Even his opponent, Kerry, was in the same Secret society, same family money, same schools, hell they're even cousins. So incase Bush didn't win, they'd still have a stooge to create some form of mess. Bush's 2nd election was damned either way I look at it. And I have no childish rage, I'm not demonizing anyone. But I will not sugar coat his selfish greed and total disregard for this countries national security that he makes such a big deal about protecting in his speeches.

Can't argue with you here. I didn't post every article to back up statements I've made to rebut yours. Don't ask me to spoonfeed you by posting these articles either. I highly doubt that you read anything factual on a news site against what you want to belive. You really have showed hypocrisy in yourself for trying to say I was misinformed and carrying on like a 5 year old when there's so much proof that goes against what you say, and you have resorted to insults. Yes gaf, america is the land of the spoiled rotten 5 year olds indeed it seems....

Your post is so riddled with errors I don't know where to start other than to point you to this

http://www.loosechangeguide.com/LooseChangeGuide.html

which pretty much debunks everything you and Scary Guy have claimed in this nonsensical thread that is void of any research or factual evidence whatsoever.

[Kit Kat P]

Some of you already know my story. My (now ex) husband worked at the pentagon. He was in the room the plane went through. He was severely burned and injured. He was one of only 5 that made it out of that room. I saw the plane wreckage myself. I saw the hole in the building after the plane was removed. I still have nightmares about this. It is really hard for me to read items like this especially when I know so many families missing family members that were working in a "safe" environment, children w/o fathers, mothers killed in action, grandparents gone forever. All of whom worked at the pentagon.

[Head Wreck]

i think its a case of i want to belive rather than i belive.

some people want to see the current administration so dirty that they would even fake this. i call them moorites. they go to far, and low and behold its the members who i hate to be lumped into the same category as for being a leftie.

do these people look at evidence. no

do these people want to. no, they probbably will stick thier hands over thier ears shouting "la la la la i'm not listening" if you do try

are these people worth spending any more time on. only when thier population grows too much and we have to do something about it. education is the key here, not buring your head up your own arses

kit kat P i remember your Ex hubbie describing his account on here, and i do belive its disrespectfull to those that didnt make it out to just write off an event without examining evidence.

my 2p on the matter

[BrassFusion]

No one's "writing it off." EVERYONE who voices an opinion on the nature of the September 11th attacks obviously cares about the losses of life and wants to prevent future losses. It doesn't matter who's "right," it just matters who's trying to learn more about it.

[Kit Kat P]

I actually do encourage learning more on the event. I know that we were never given a full report. They are still finding out what was inhaled by those who survive. I do not think having an opinion is writing the issue off. I do think that if want to learn more there are lots of people who were there that are willing to talk and that our government has many issues it needs to be more honest on. That is just one of the reasons why it is so easy to distrust them.

[crunchy_pickle (5)]

Some of you already know my story. My (now ex) husband worked at the pentagon. He was in the room the plane went through. He was severely burned and injured. He was one of only 5 that made it out of that room. I saw the plane wreckage myself. I saw the hole in the building after the plane was removed. I still have nightmares about this. It is really hard for me to read items like this especially when I know so many families missing family members that were working in a "safe" environment, children w/o fathers, mothers killed in action, grandparents gone forever. All of whom worked at the pentagon.

Does your ex husband keep secrets? Did you happen to see any seats or bodies in the wreckage? Do you know for sure that this was not in fact a missile? Kinda odd for a plane to not have seats or bodies. Perhaps your ex can enlighten us all to why the surveillance video of this incident has not been declassified. The only video we have seen is of wreckage with no seats and no bodies. Pretty strange if you ask me....

Also someone suggested that Bin Laden confessed to 9/11. I suspect you have no clue what Bin Laden looks like. The man in the video confession is quite a bit heavier, has a different nose, and several other very pointed differences to Osama Bin Laden who is oddly enough a great friend of George Bush's. Their family ties go way back.

Personally, I wonder if your ex even knows what hit them...... Furthermore, if he was working in the Pentagon, and survived this explosion, I'm sure he's privy to the truth, and knows what torture awaits him if he runs his mouth.

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Haven't researched it enough to dispute this "conspiracy theory" but gaps and inconsistencies in understanding don't necessarily equate out to conspiracy.

I've seen several documentaries on the subject, and yeah they could all be huge cover ups by 1000s of people but it just seems unlikely. Not impossible, crazier stuff has happened before, but just unlikely.