Gun Control

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yes they do.

Except breech load single shot shotguns... but with them you have to manually pull the hammerback..

[CandyQuackenbush]

Yes they do.

Except breech load single shot shotguns... but with them you have to manually pull the hammerback..

As long as thats a safety....

[Head Wreck]

As long as thats a safety....

carry with the breech opned is another common thing to do

[odims_sphere]

Yes they do.

Except breech load single shot shotguns... but with them you have to manually pull the hammerback..

those generally have a "half cock" position where the hammer is not resting on the firing pin and cannot be released by the trigger, thus rendering the weapon "safe"

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

only on newer models.

[ttogreh]

With more people packing heat, less people are dying from gunshot wounds.

Do I ever love being right...

[n0Mad]

2,799 people were killed through cuttings or piercings in 2004. 29,569 people were killed by firearm in 2004. 45,113 people were killed in overall motor vehicle incidents. 3,952 people were killed by drowning.

Gotta love WISQARS...

Another question though is of those 29,569 firearm deaths, how many were murders and accidents and how many were justifiable defensive shootings by police or even citizens?

[Smothered Hope]

Wow, its good to see so many with common views who also have similar interests.

Unfortunatly this is a difficult argument because both sides tend to be either black or white

with very little compromise from either. this coupled with dysinformation only makes it

difficult to come to a solution.

I'm a gun owner and CCW holder, and also carried in an offensive posture a few times.

As a few members can most likely agree when it's your duty to be armed there is a new

prospective.

A few points to consider, I believe it was during the clinton administation there was a study

by then BATF and others to come up with a plan for total confiscation of firearms (door to door)

so don't believe for a minute that the .GOV won't take them.

Second, I see a member from the isles is aboard. in addition to an increasing gun trade in Britain

I would have you look at the significant rise in sharp and pointies. There is a move, maybe implemented

to ban certain kitchen knives because those were the most commonly used in stabbings, they already

have banned any type of lock blade.

I could go on but let me just finish by saying that I am for strong restrictions on gun ownership.

But most of these are already on the books, what we need is stronger punishment for those

who break the law. punish the criminals and teach the innocent gun safety and self protection.

Well, thats my first real post. I hope it's not preachy or condescending, because I really do not

have a nack for internet "Tone" yet

any thoughts?

[Head Wreck]

yes a ban on some.

as it stands now you can be married homeowner at 16. but you cant buy any cutlery till your 18

wtf?!

[Smothered Hope]

Ha! like serving your country and can't buy a beer.

Theres some fellows over at total protection interactive from britan who have

been working around the restrictions.

No offence but I hope the U.S. never becomes that much of a nanny state.

[CandyQuackenbush]

Ha! like serving your country and can't bye a beer.

Theres some fellows over at total protection interactive from britan who have

been working around the restrictions.

No offence but I hope the U.S. never becomes that much of a nanny state.

True to this, you can carry a gun at 17-18 for the army, but can't get a beer from your local bar.

However, if you go on a base that has an all ranks bar, then you can have all beer you can drink. Most of the people that work at "All Ranks Bar's", believe you earned a drink or 5.

[odims_sphere]

only on newer models.

The half cock position was first used in the late 1700s-early 1800s on flintlock rifles. Later became popular with all hammer fired weapons.

Method of operation

The operator loads the gun, usually from the muzzle end, with black powder followed by shot or a round lead ball, usually wrapped in a paper or cloth patch, all rammed down with a special rod, usually located on the underside of the barrel; A cock or striker tightly holding a shaped bit of flint is rotated to half-cock; The flash pan is primed with a small amount of very finely ground powder, and the flashpan lid or "frizzen" is closed; The gun is now in "primed and ready" state, and this is how it would be carried hunting or going into battle. A safety notch at half-cock prevents the hammer from falling by pulling the trigger.

Winchester was using it on model 1893, and 1897 in, you guessed it, 1893 and 1897.

Marlin was using it on their model 30 which was patented 1906-1915.

[CandyQuackenbush]

This is like DGN Modern Marvels.....

[Smothered Hope]

True to this, you can carry a gun at 17-18 for the army, but can't get a beer from your local bar.

However, if you go on a base that has an all ranks bar, then you can have all beer you can drink. Most of the people that work at "All Ranks Bar's", believe you earned a drink or 5.

Amen to that Sister, I'll bye ya one if I ever meet ya.

Do they still only serve 3.2 beer? When I was doing my peacekeeping in the Sinai they

gave us 2 tickets a night for only 3.2 beer... I wasn't a beer drinker then and we didn't

get a club until the end couple weeks of the tour anyways

[ttogreh]

11,624 firearm deaths were homicides, 311 were legal interventions (yeah, right), 649 were unintentional, and 16,750 were suicides.

If WISQARS were a woman, I'd marry it.

[Smothered Hope]

Geez, sometimes I think I've seen Half those suicides..........sigh

[n0Mad]

The Jeff Cooper/Scott Drebus school of gun control. If everyone followed these rules, we'd have gun safety.

~ Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded.

~ Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.

~ Be fully aware of your target, your backstop, and your surroundings at all times.

~ Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are fully committed to shoot.

~ You are responsible for your firearms at all times so keep them safe and secure. Never leave unattended unless stored safely.

Cook County, Illinois is trying to ban all handguns that don't have loaded chamber indicators. Remember that rule, "Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded"? We don't need loaded chamber indicators because all firearms are always loaded. But what if they're not loaded? You weren't listening, were you? All firearms are always loaded. *sigh*

But those rules won't stop murders and burglaries? You're right. But remember that rule, "Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy"? If G-Dog points a pistol at some store clerk and orders him to empty the safe, then that means G-Dog is willing to destroy that clerk. So try him for first degree murder. Just because he didn't pull the trigger by pointing the gun at the clerk proved he was willing.

I had another thought but my brain stopped working. I'm going to take a nap.

[ttogreh]

Attempted murder, Spook. You can't claim he committed murder... the store clerk is still breathing.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

The half cock position was first used in the late 1700s-early 1800s on flintlock rifles. Later became popular with all hammer fired weapons.

Winchester was using it on model 1893, and 1897 in, you guessed it, 1893 and 1897.

Marlin was using it on their model 30 which was patented 1906-1915.

I think we are talking about the same thing. I've had 5 single shot, break down shot guns over the years. All of them had exposed hammers. Hammerless shotguns of the same type have a safety switch. It seems, that the "rest" position of the hammer... is considered "half cocked". It all depends on what literature your reading.

In flint locks.. half-cock is actually a postion you move the hammer to from the forward postion. In a shot gun half-cock is just the hammer not being pulled back.

[jadnifer]

The Jeff Cooper/Scott Drebus school of gun control. If everyone followed these rules, we'd have gun safety.

~ Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded.

~ Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.

~ Be fully aware of your target, your backstop, and your surroundings at all times.

~ Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are fully committed to shoot.

~ You are responsible for your firearms at all times so keep them safe and secure. Never leave unattended unless stored safely.

Cook County, Illinois is trying to ban all handguns that don't have loaded chamber indicators. Remember that rule, "Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded"? We don't need loaded chamber indicators because all firearms are always loaded. But what if they're not loaded? You weren't listening, were you? All firearms are always loaded. *sigh*

But those rules won't stop murders and burglaries? You're right. But remember that rule, "Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy"? If G-Dog points a pistol at some store clerk and orders him to empty the safe, then that means G-Dog is willing to destroy that clerk. So try him for first degree murder. Just because he didn't pull the trigger by pointing the gun at the clerk proved he was willing.

I had another thought but my brain stopped working. I'm going to take a nap.

Very Very good points. I completely agree with you. However, I am with GAF on it should be tried as attempted murder because the person is still breathing. I guess though if the legal system treated it that way there would probably be less armed robberies and such.

[Destroit]

The Jeff Cooper/Scott Drebus school of gun control. If everyone followed these rules, we'd have gun safety.

~ Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded.

~ Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy.

~ Be fully aware of your target, your backstop, and your surroundings at all times.

~ Keep your finger off the trigger and out of the trigger guard until you are fully committed to shoot.

~ You are responsible for your firearms at all times so keep them safe and secure. Never leave unattended unless stored safely.

Cook County, Illinois is trying to ban all handguns that don't have loaded chamber indicators. Remember that rule, "Always treat all firearms as if they are loaded"? We don't need loaded chamber indicators because all firearms are always loaded. But what if they're not loaded? You weren't listening, were you? All firearms are always loaded. *sigh*

But those rules won't stop murders and burglaries? You're right. But remember that rule, "Never point a firearm at anything you are not willing to destroy"? If G-Dog points a pistol at some store clerk and orders him to empty the safe, then that means G-Dog is willing to destroy that clerk. So try him for first degree murder. Just because he didn't pull the trigger by pointing the gun at the clerk proved he was willing.

I had another thought but my brain stopped working. I'm going to take a nap.

I like the thought of all of this, think that they're very good principles to go by, but in the case of the first degree murder charge I don't see how that's possible without a body. Maybe they should make attempted murder charges more severe instead?

Personally I think that would be great, I had a gun pointed at me once (later to find out that it was jokingly and the guy was all talk, but how was I supposed to know?) and lemme tell you, obviously most nerve racking moment of your life if it happens to you. That's such horrible emotional abuse/scarring that should never be taken lightly.

[ttogreh]

Jadnifer... you mistook me for Gaf. I don't know if I should be insulted or what.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Well, I know I am.

[Smothered Hope]

Disclaimer: please excuse while I vent

Wellll, The Democratic republic of Illinios does not care that all firearms are loaded,

they only care what the next underhanded, misrepresented falsehood that the sheeple

will believe so that thier final result, the banning of "ALL" firearms will occur.

Really the problem is not the laws, it's an overburdened system which makes it easier

for Prosecuting attornys to plead to lesser crimes so that they can raise convictions.

Also in this state where the govenor thinks it's a good tactic to lay off prison staff and

early release "Non violent" offenders, thus leading to a further burden increasing criminals

on the street and keeping people in the system who cannot find work once they are released.

We actually do more for released felons then families that are broke and homeless.(I'm close

with someone in FHA)

Rant off

excuse my spellin

[n0Mad]

Smothered Hope - Are you on the USCCA forums? Your last post sounded like something I'd find there.