Anti-Jesus shirt

[pheramoans]

Big brother doesn't like your t-shirt.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23919...from=public_rss

[Guest Megalicious]

First off I am not religious in anyway. I am an atheist by nature. But that just doesn't sit right with me to take some ones faith and disrespect it in such a way.

Second I believe in the right to freedom of speech. But it is quite clear that in the country this happened in there is nothing that gives citizens that right.

All in all, did they go to an extreme arresting her? Yes. But they will pay the price when people read this and think to them selfs WTF, what a bunch of fascist assholes.

The article does make a good point though. Its not like she wore it to some Christian rally, in spite or with some kind of malicious intent.

:::thinks:::

[Rev.Reverence]

FUCK AND SHIT!

YESU WOULDN'T GIVE A FUCK!

IN FACT I BELEIVE HE WOULD WALK RIGHT UP TO AFORMENTIONED YOUTH...AND CORRECT THE GRAMMER...STATING:

JESUS IS THEE CUNT!

^{& IF SOME BIBLE THUMPER WANTS TO FUCKIN' MASH THE SEMANTICS WITH ME OVER THIS...HAVE SOME FUCKIN' CLASS & PM ME ABOUT IT WILL YA!}

[Guest Megalicious]

IN FACT I BELEIVE HE WOULD WALK RIGHT UP TO AFORMENTIONED YOUTH...AND CORRECT THE GRAMMER...STATING:

JESUS IS THEE CUNT!

^{& IF SOME BIBLE THUMPER WANTS TO FUCKIN' MASH THE SEMANTICS WITH ME OVER THIS...HAVE SOME FUCKIN' CLASS & PM ME ABOUT IT WILL YA!}

You grammar nazi you!

[Rev.Reverence]

You grammar nazi you!

I'm not a Nazi...

A little fascist.....but NOT a Nazi.....(FUCK!...case in point though )

[GothicRavenGoddess (3)]

i love you, rev, you are so great.

[Goth Brooks]

FUCK AND SHIT!

YESU WOULDN'T GIVE A FUCK!

IN FACT I BELEIVE HE WOULD WALK RIGHT UP TO AFORMENTIONED YOUTH...AND CORRECT THE GRAMMER...STATING:

JESUS IS THEE CUNT!

^{& IF SOME BIBLE THUMPER WANTS TO FUCKIN' MASH THE SEMANTICS WITH ME OVER THIS...HAVE SOME FUCKIN' CLASS & PM ME ABOUT IT WILL YA!}

thee = you

not "a"

"jesus is you cunt" doesn't work.

my favourite bit was this:

Senior Sergeant Arron Ottaway said the teen was walking along Hollywell Road, in Biggera Waters, when a officer saw him.

FAIL REPORTER IS FAIL

[sass_in_the_pants]

I'm just curious.

What if the t-shirt read 'All women are cunts'

OR

what if it read - 'Fags are shitheads'

Any difference for you?

I love free speech as much as the next American. But I refuse to waste my time defending the word 'cunt' when there are ACTUAL real free speech issues that need to be worked on.

[Goth Brooks]

Naynay is a cunt.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Australia does not have laws that guarantee freedom of speech.

I don;t really have a problem with the shirt... as long as I am allowed to wear a shirt that says

"The Goddess is a Two Bit Whore"

[hunhee]

I'm just curious.

What if the t-shirt read 'All women are cunts'

"The Goddess is a Two Bit Whore"

Heh.. I would wear both these shirts

[Msterbeau]

So is the bad part of this the use of the word "cunt" or the implication that by using the word cunt, that Jesus is female?

[sass_in_the_pants]

So is the bad part of this the use of the word "cunt" or the implication that by using the word cunt, that Jesus is female?

It's the C-word, I presume. EEEWW!!

People won't say "the n-word", but they'll drop "the c-word" like it's a hot potato!

EEEWWW! (in case I didn't say it loud enough before)

I hate that word. Worse than I hate the word moist, and I REALLY hate the word moist.

[Guest Megalicious]

Australia does not have laws that guarantee freedom of speech.

Exactly one of my points

[Head Wreck]

tbh, the T-shirt is specifically designed to upset those who are sensitive. you cannot claim that "you didn't mean to be offensive"

I'm not one of the PC brigade, but why go looking for trouble.

a free society is one where a person can be free to do whatsoever he pleases without encroaching on the freedoms and sensibilities of others.

i find offensive tee's a bit offputting of the person, as they must think that being offensive is somewhat clever.

[Hellion]

Hey how about calling your own race, cracker,honky,whitey,I have heard people say that alot in public places,and I have seen shirts that say "Honky" on them ass well.I have heard people get pissed about the cracker word before.

(PS.this post has nothing to do with anyone on the board)but the "C" word can apply to our incompetent governor for wrecking our economy even more.

[Destroit]

Hey how about calling your own race, cracker,honky,whitey,I have heard people say that alot in public places,and I have seen shirts that say "Honky" on them ass well.I have heard people get pissed about the cracker word before.

(PS.this post has nothing to do with anyone on the board)but the "C" word can apply to our incompetent governor for wrecking our economy even more.

Yeah, but we can say more here even by just a little because we live in America. As I believe Gaf said, in Australia you can't just go around shooting your mouth off because they don't have as much free speech by law, so it's a little different.

[Rev.Reverence]

thee = you

not "a"

You got me again...

I'll correct that..."JESUS IS THE CUNT!"

"THE" as in "not 'a' but 'the'...Totally my bad...

NOW...I found this enthralling...CUNT is apparently WAY older a word than I had previously thought.

ENJOY!

The etymology of the word cunt is as disputed as its use in polite society. Not only is it one of the dozen major taboo words currently in English, cunt is for the majority of English-speaking women in the West the most loathsome of all vulgarisms.

When the word’s profane thunder hammers the tin of an English sentence, women hear the hateful and total dismissal of what Goethe called “the eternal feminine.”

Men, on the other hand, recognize something dark and redolent of body truth in cunt’s repellent monosyllabic starkness: namely, the male imperative to penetrate, ejaculate, and then make for the hills as quickly as possible in the hopes of chancing upon yet another opportunity to spread their insistent seed. No violins or perfumed love couches hover near the word. Cunt is a sex word with the romantic cloak of mutuality and lovingness flung off. This is also why men employ the word as one of the most frequent insults directed at women.

As Freud suggested, in order that civilization and the raising of the young may happen, the male’s chief impulse of ‘wham!-bam!-thank-you-m’am’ has had to be repressed. Women have been only too happy to oblige in such squelching. As Siggie further said, “Civilization is repression.”

Reclaiming a powerful word, celebrating girls have some sparkler fun.

Usage in Great Britain

From the internet here is a useful passage:

“The word cunt still mainly remains the one word in the English language that is considered more offensive than fuck ― this can be largely attributed to its history as a misogynist instrument, a history that elevates its offensiveness above that of rival four-letter words.

However, the term cunt is often used, primarily by members of the working class, as a term of endearment. Particularly in the south of England, around the Essex and London Area. Context and tone usually show the distinction between the word being used as a term of endearment or it being used pejoratively.”

Earliest Appearance in English

In his 1954 book Street-Names of the City of London, Eilert Ekwall, a great linguist who studied English place names, produced evidence of a “Gropecuntelane,” that is, Grope Cunt Lane, a shady lane indeed frequented by prostitutes and their customers. The year? Around 1230 anno Domini.

Nautical Usage

Unfinished cunt splice

Unfinished Cunt Splice

“A cunt splice,” says one internet article, “is a type of rope splice used to join two lines in the rigging of ships. The two ends are side spliced together with a gap between the two parts, forming a short section where the two lines lay side-by-side when taut.” In recent times the name has been censored and changed to the less offensive term cut splice.

Etymology

The origin of the word is disputed, principally because it is an ancient root and of pre-literate provenance. The sources I give are what I surmise. Can these sources be proven in any scientific way when they extend back into the past beyond the inscribed record, to a time before humans had learned to write? No. They are hypothetical constructs that I believe are etymologically sound.

Monogenesis Theory

But I believe in the monogenesis (Greek, ‘single birth’) of human language. I am convinced, by the admittedly not abundant proofs, that coherent and grammatical speech began and then evolved in Africa’s Rift Valley and that all later languages on earth stem from such a protolanguage. As humans moved out of that African valley to populate the entire earth they took their speech with them and that speech through millennia was altered and transformed and cleaved into cloves of, first, dialects and, second, split into seemingly unrelated languages, so evolved that familial recognition is often impossible. Yet those grunted mutterings that ricocheted off Rift rocks so far in the past constituted the single mother tongue of all human languages.

Ruhlen & Greenberg & Cavalli-Sforza

Linguistic monogenesis is the Merritt Ruhlen and Joseph Greenberg hypothesis, supported by genetic studies. Here I quote from the Wikipedia article on Ruhlen: “Perhaps the strongest evidence supporting Ruhlen can be found in the work of the geneticist Luigi Luca Cavalli-Sforza, who has studied the genes in human populations throughout the world and constructed a phylogenetic tree, a structure similar in many respects to traditional trees of language families, showing where in the tree given genetic groups separated. The results are widely (though not universally) accepted as matching up remarkably well with Ruhlen's proposed structure of the languages and language families of the world.”

If this fascinating topic lures you, try the scholarly or the popular books by Merritt Ruhlen. On the Origin of Languages: Studies in Linguistic Taxonomy is Ruhlen’s 1994 scholarly tome. The Origin of Language: Tracing the Evolution of the Mother Tongue is another book by Merritt Ruhlen published in 1994 exploring the same topics for non-linguists.

C-Section on the C-Word

The Germanic and now English word cunt has verbal relatives all the way back in Egyptian hieroglyphics. Ka-t in hieroglyphics meant vulva, vagina, mother, and women. Qefen-t, another ancient Egyptian word for vagina, even has the letter n infixed in the root. Consider the Hittite kun ‘tail of an animal.’ A piece of tail, anyone? In Persian kun is the ass, the bum, the posterior. So this is not only a Proto-Indo-European root word. It looks like a very early borrowing from a Mediterranean rootstock or language now lost. Eric Partridge is the linguist who first suggested this. I think he was correct. The Greek reflex of the cunnus root is gunē ‘woman’ usually transliterated in Latin and English as gyne and supplying a large number of English scientific and learned words like gynecology, misogynist and androgynous. Absolutely cognate with the Greek gunē is the Sanskrit yoni, an artistic representation of the female organ of generation, an object of veneration among Hindus.

The Hebrew kus and keus and Arabic cognates also share the common Mediterranean origin of all these words for something essentially female.

Whence That Terminal /T/ ?

There has been much dithering and flithering among Indo-European philologists trying to explain how the terminal /t/ became attached to a root that early explorers of etymology saw as stemming from Latin cunnus ‘cunt.’ Many of the Romance languages still have this cunnus-root with similar meanings. Perhaps the most frequently used word in modern street Spanish is coño with its Romance-language cognates (all from Latin cunnus) French con, Italian conno and cunno, and Portugese cona. Modern Czech has kunda ‘vagina’ used in male-chauvinist invective and equivalent to English’s dismissive use of cunt. Czech also has an affectionate diminutive form kundicka.

I would posit that Middle Low German forms with a terminal dental (the letter /d/ or the letter/t/) like Kunte are no mystery. Compare the Middle Dutch kunte and modern Dutch kut and note that the letter n drops out again. The forms borrowed into the earliest Germanic and Scandinavian languages, from whatever source, simply kept the /t/ from their Mediterranean ultimate source. In Semitic languages, for example, terminal /t/ is the standard marker for grammatical femininity. Since there is presumably no more essentially feminine word than cunt, it is small wonder that its essential feminine ending was retained in borrowing.

One of my favorite forms of the word is an affectionate Irish diminutive, cunteen.

A Few Notes on Usage

As we have seen above, in the year 1230 cunt was not obscene. It was merely an English word for a female’s private parts. Even in Chaucer’s time, in The Canterbury Tales (1380-1390 CE), the first great poem of Middle English, Chaucer uses the word in a normal descriptive manner. In the Miller’s Tale, at line 90, we read “Pryvely he caught hir by the queynte.” In 138o queynte was pronounced ‘cunt.’

By the era of Shakespeare the word is offensive and obscene and Shakespeare must use it on stage in covert form in puns and acronyms, the most famous of which is this punning passage from Act 3, Scene 2 of Hamlet:

HAMLET:

Lady, shall I lie in your lap? [Lying down at OPHELIA’s feet.]

OPHELIA:

No, my lord.

HAMLET:

I mean, my head upon your lap?

OPHELIA:

Ay, my lord.

HAMLET:

Do you think I meant country matters?

OPHELIA:

I think nothing, my lord.

HAMLET:

That's a fair thought to lie between maids’ legs.

OPHELIA:

What is, my lord?

HAMLET:

Nothing.

OPHELIA:

You are merry, my lord.

HAMLET:

Who, I?

OPHELIA:

Ay, my lord.

In Elizabethan English,the word lap was both the lap, as we now use the word, but was also a euphemism for cunt. Cunt did not appear in any major dictionary of the English language from 1795 to 1961, when finally it was included in Webster's Third New International Dictionary with the comment “usu. considered obscene.” Its first appearance in the Oxford English Dictionary was in 1972.

[Oh_My_Goth]

I find the shirt rude.....

I think jail is a bit much.....

Public flogging would be good.....

[Scales]

IMHO, that's a pretty cool shirt, but Cradle is overrated. My friend has a "Jesus Hates You" t-shirt and I think it would be ludicrous for him to be charged with anything for wearing that in public.

It's much more ridiculous that a non-existent character from thousands of years ago has a bunch of tax-free business dedicated to him rather than communities engaging in intellectual activities. I don't know, if I die and there is a "Hell," I will definitely know because it will be full of churches.

I think this sums up my viewpoint much more elegantly:

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

You got me again...

I'll correct that..."JESUS IS THE CUNT!"

"THE" as in "not 'a' but 'the'...Totally my bad...

NOW...I found this enthralling...CUNT is apparently WAY older a word than I had previously thought.

ENJOY!

It's excusable. Whats spoken at Renfests and such is NOT Middle English... it's a parady at best of the trasition period from Middle English to Modern English with a fair bit of fancy added.

Middle English

Whilom, as olde stories tellen us,

Ther was a duc that highte Theseus;

Of Atthenes he was lord and governour,

And in his tyme swich a conquerour

Modern English

Once on a time, as old stories tell to us,

There was a duke whose name was Theseus:

Of Athens he was lord and governor,

And in his time was such a conqueror

[Hellion]

One of my friends has a shirt that says "Fuck The World"and underneath that,"Fuck Society"

I wonder when it will be illegal to even say that now,LOL!!

[machine]

Speaking of offensive'ish shirts, my new shirt just arrived today, how ironic!

I make a great model!

(I mirrored the image)

[Oh_My_Goth]

Speaking of offensive'ish shirts, my new shirt just arrived today, how ironic!

I make a great model!

(I mirrored the image)

THAT SHIRT ROCKS!!!!!

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Its always a difficult tightrope to navigate between discussion of sensitive topics and insulting/inflammatory speech, DGN accepts neither, but its up to the mods to decide where that line is, with input from posters privately.

Anyhow DGN isn't a public soap-box in the way that a street corner is, its a private entity with a certain level of civility is expected.

1F. Don't Incite Anger or Drama.

It's fine to discuss things openly and frankly, and healthy debate is great. But don't incite anger or drama in others purposely. This is a gray area in some cases, of course. But there are plenty of communities on the Internet where drama and flames are perfectly acceptable, and that is fine. This just is not one of them. House DGN is intended to have minimal drama or other immaturity of that sort.

If you LIKE drama, that's fine, just keep yours off DGN and take it elsewhere if you must. Obviously we cant get rid of everything that we don't like, some stuff has to be let slide, but generally make sure your doing your best to keep things constructive or at least neutral, please.

Topic post edited slightly. If there is a specific problem with the DGN rules or any particular moderator PM them or me or report the post.

And for the record I did find that shirt a bit funny, if only in a potty-joke kind of way.