Iran

[Rev.Reverence]

When dealing with a terror supporting country with nuclear ambitions, you confront and take care of the problem before it becomes a threat.

And as far as I am concerned... and as far as France, England, Russia, China, Italy, and Spain is concerned (but who are they anyway), Iran is a HUGE threat already.

Using nukes in Iran would mean no oil for 40+ years.

WHO SAID NUKES?

I happen to know that Napalm burns hot enough to turn sand to glass.

[know_buddy_kares]

WHO SAID NUKES?

I happen to know that Napalm burns hot enough to turn sand to glass.

easy to make too! and about 8 years ago.. cheap as well!

Also about going after bin laden.. yeah fuck all that noise.. if he really was the bastardized black sheep of his family (wich the bush family are very good friends with) then pakistan WOULD be an enemy.. yet they're not.. wich really makes me question the whole obamaosama going solo on the 9/11 thing in general moreso than I already question

haha i saod obama.. i meant osama..

damnit.. shoot me

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

9/11 was funded by the Taliban and carried out by Al-quida. Just to refresh memorys.

Pakistan is not allowing Bin laden to stay there. He is hiding in the very rugged moutain terrian that serves as pakistan's Northern and Western Borders. Pakistan (the central government) has very limited control of that area because the area is so tough to get into or out of. It is still part of thier soverign territory and we still need permission to enter.

[know_buddy_kares]

9/11 was funded by the Taliban and carried out by Al-quida. Just to refresh memorys.

Pakistan is not allowing Bin laden to stay there. He is hiding in the very rugged moutain terrian that serves as pakistan's Northern and Western Borders. Pakistan (the central government) has very limited control of that area because the area is so tough to get into or out of. It is still part of thier soverign territory and we still need permission to enter.

then pakistan should have NO problem going after osama... and besides.. if osama didn't have anything to do wiht 9/11 as you sort of make it sound.. then why the big damn fuss about him then hmm? my memory is serving me well enough to know that he was the "claimed" mastermind behind it all.

[Rev.Reverence]

then pakistan should have NO problem going after osama... and besides.. if osama didn't have anything to do wiht 9/11 as you sort of make it sound.. then why the big damn fuss about him then hmm? my memory is serving me well enough to know that he was the "claimed" mastermind behind it all.

I saw no conclusive proof either.

[know_buddy_kares]

I saw no conclusive proof either.

and i yet again.. opened up a 9/11 conspiracy theory pandora's box....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

then pakistan should have NO problem going after osama... and besides.. if osama didn't have anything to do wiht 9/11 as you sort of make it sound.. then why the big damn fuss about him then hmm? my memory is serving me well enough to know that he was the "claimed" mastermind behind it all.

Excuse me? I'm not exactly sure where you get that I was saying Osama was not behind the attacks. Osoma is the leader of Al-quida. Al-quida members planned and performed the action. On two video tapes found during the war in Afghanistan we have found Osama admitting his role in the planning and over seeing of the attack. The Taliban openly admitted they funded the attack and the training camps in Afghanistan.

as to Pakistan... they have very limited control over the region. Pakistan's border regions are extremely tribal. They do not let "outsiders" police them. Even the central government is considered as "out siders". Those tribes have no real interest in what goes outside of their are of influance, so don't care if Osama is wanted by international forces. Pakistan is right on the verge of it's own major problems. Civil war is a hair's width away... as the secualr government trys to gain more of a foot hold over the religious extremists who want to take over the country. They are at a near war state with India over thier shared border. Both are nuclear powers.

An invasion of any size into Pakistan would open a box of worms like the world has never seen. It would make Iraq and Vietnam both look like cake walks.

[know_buddy_kares]

Excuse me? I'm not exactly sure where you get that I was saying Osama was not behind the attacks. Osoma is the leader of Al-quida. Al-quida members planned and performed the action. On two video tapes found during the war in Afghanistan we have found Osama admitting his role in the planning and over seeing of the attack. The Taliban openly admitted they funded the attack and the training camps in Afghanistan.

this is the sort of trolling that I'm talking about.. when i said, "what you said you sort of make it sound" was saying just that, not saying "you flat out said that"... read what I write more clearly please.. stop trolling..

also.. how can you get on my case for this when you just stated THIS as a reply to what I replied to earlier.. mind you you said up in the top here.. "Osama is the leader of Al-quida" (wich i also bold faced) i left the rest quoted as it's still relavent to your debate but... as you said previously...

9/11 was funded by the Taliban and carried out by Al-quida. Just to refresh memorys.

So.. by saying the Al-quida did this 9/11 operation... and then saying Osama is also the leader of this.. how are you NOT implying that Osama was behind all this?

[know_buddy_kares]

I also wanted to add.. that though I believe that 9/11 was partially an inside job that our own goverment most likely had some part in (not just knowing) I'd rather open up the can of worms with pakistan than waste my time in Iraq and/or Iran, or Afghanistan as Obama is wanting to go into lately it seems. I don't fear death, I honestly don't give a flying fuck how many people I must kill or try killing me, as long as the cause is somewhat worth while.. and going after one of the biggest contributors financially and strategically to the cluster fuck that sparked all this fucking mayhem that has resulted in a chain reaction to what America is at present state.. so be it.. though there's better choices.. but that's the best PRACTICAL choice..

so yes, I'm against Iraq/Iran.. whole heartedly, the only thing that makes me ok with it is the money, but if there were to be any deeper cause to it all.. then fuck it, Pakistan ftw...

[Hellion]

IMO when two countries(not counting the U.S.) want to go at it,fine let em kill each other off,India and Pakistan wanted to blow each other up awhile back,unfortunately nukes were being brought into the picture let alone some were tested underground,bad news for the whole world,that is when the U.S. should get involved,if two countries are planning war with each other(conventional,non nuke,non chemical,non biological,etc,etc.) we should not get involved,but at least monitor the situation from a long distance as to make sure it stays conventional,and does not become a threat to the world.we are looked at as the "Police of The World"

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

You are the one who questioned Osama being behind the attacks. Not me. I am saying flat out that he was behind the attacks.

BTW, you did not say "what you said you sort of make it sound"

I'm not trolling. I am responding to the things that are actually typed out on my screen... not the things you thought you said or thought I said.

It's called a conversation.

[phee]

IMO when two countries(not counting the U.S.) want to go at it,fine let em kill each other off,India and Pakistan wanted to blow each other up awhile back,unfortunately nukes were being brought into the picture let alone some were tested underground,bad news for the whole world,that is when the U.S. should get involved,if two countries are planning war with each other(conventional,non nuke,non chemical,non biological,etc,etc.) we should not get involved,but at least monitor the situation from a long distance as to make sure it stays conventional,and does not become a threat to the world.we are looked at as the "Police of The World"

Problem.... the Nukes they would use on each other would effect the whole world.... and not just a little bit... (Nuke Winter anyone?)

[Hellion]

Problem.... the Nukes they would use on each other would effect the whole world.... and not just a little bit... (Nuke Winter anyone?)

If you noticed I did specify saying conventional war(no nukes just guns and tanks,planes etc etc.,LOL!!)

[savageminstrel]

I think its interesting to take notice of the recent investigation of Halliburton for selling nuclear secrets to Iranian companies. Its all about the bottom line.

http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories...logies-to-iran/

[peelingchrome]

There we go! Free exchange of information and people expressing...(what was that word)... FEELINGS! Kudos to everyone who gets upset at this, in my opinion. Better that than being blindly lead to the chopping block by a bunch of profiteering gluttons!

[SaGa]

you know those conspiracy theories where made up bye the goverment to make you believe in them so everyone whould think your crazy. and we can point at the conspiracy which is hiding the real conspiracy. so close that 9/11 box before pinhead comes out to.

[TitsMcGee]

even in my drunken state I figure this will not make me a popular person. My brother is a Marine and has already done a year in Iraq and is going to Afganastan soon. Personally from the family stand point I say fuck Iran and turn their asses into pretty glass.

Again I don't forsee becomeing very popular from this stand point

[know_buddy_kares]

You are the one who questioned Osama being behind the attacks. Not me. I am saying flat out that he was behind the attacks.

BTW, you did not say "what you said you sort of make it sound"

I'm not trolling. I am responding to the things that are actually typed out on my screen... not the things you thought you said or thought I said.

It's called a conversation.

actually i did say that, not verbatum in the beginning.. but the sort of make it sound part.. yeah.. scroll up... also, you i already quoted you on contradicting yourself, you first started out sounding like osama wasn't..

Honestly, I have head injuries wich don't let me have that great of a memory or attention span.. if you have a hard time with reading comprehencion let me know and I can try to change how I display my input to better help you understand.

That's why I thought you were trolling, it seemed you'd respond as if you didn't understand my posts, and I know you're not that ignorant as you do come off as an intelegent individual so I took the other option, trolling to try to get me to rage..

We can talk about this further in PM if you like.

But to go back on topic..

There's no excuse to use nukes ever unless we all just wanna become extinct, then fuck it, launch them all!!

As said before, I'm against messing with Iran period for other reasons than what's been listed here..

[Der Nister]

Fuck the middle east

There's too many problems

They just get in the way

We sure could live without them

They hijack our planes

They raise our oil prices

We'll kill them all and have a ball

And end their fuckin' crisis

BEIRUT, LEBANON-Won't exist once we're done

LIBYA, IRAN-We'll flush the bastards down the can

SYRIANS and SHIITES-Crush their faces with our might

Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these dicks

From a song written 23 years ago (the band is S.O.D.).

It may be harsh but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

[phee]

From a song written 23 years ago (the band is S.O.D.).

It may be harsh but sometimes you have to fight fire with fire.

Storm Toopers Of DEATH!!!!!! FUCK YEAH.....

ANTIPROCRASTINATION SONG

*phee ends thread jacking that phee did*

[machine]

Honestly, I have head injuries wich don't let me have that great of a memory or attention span..

How did you get a waiver to join? Who at MEPS pushed you thru? What did you score on the ASVAB? What non-combat job did you select? 92Y ?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

actually i did say that, not verbatum in the beginning.. but the sort of make it sound part.. yeah.. scroll up... also, you i already quoted you on contradicting yourself, you first started out sounding like osama wasn't..

Honestly, I have head injuries wich don't let me have that great of a memory or attention span.. if you have a hard time with reading comprehencion let me know and I can try to change how I display my input to better help you understand.

That's why I thought you were trolling, it seemed you'd respond as if you didn't understand my posts, and I know you're not that ignorant as you do come off as an intelegent individual so I took the other option, trolling to try to get me to rage..

We can talk about this further in PM if you like.

But to go back on topic..

There's no excuse to use nukes ever unless we all just wanna become extinct, then fuck it, launch them all!!

As said before, I'm against messing with Iran period for other reasons than what's been listed here..

As to my reading comprehension... I'm fine with that... at least according to my college entrance exams. I had a perfect score for reading comprehension. I also had a near perfect score in sentence structure and grammar.

Nothing I said contradicts anything else I said. All of it supports Bin Laden as the person behind 9/11.

Perhaps, our inability to converse at times is on your side.

[Hellion]

Storm Toopers Of DEATH!!!!!! FUCK YEAH.....

ANTIPROCRASTINATION SONG

*phee ends thread jacking that phee did*

I proudly own that album,LOL!!

[SaGa]

even in my drunken state I figure this will not make me a popular person. My brother is a Marine and has already done a year in Iraq and is going to Afganastan soon. Personally from the family stand point I say fuck Iran and turn their asses into pretty glass.

Again I don't forsee becomeing very popular from this stand point

amarica should step this one out... cause really its going to bite the econmy badly if we make one wrong move. and badly as in not the us but europe and china, oil shortages as a war whould disrupt opec's production and world production bye a LOT

[Slogo]

I'm just going to be realistic here and not involve my personal feelings.

1-The military is stretched too thin. With Iraq and Afghanistan we can't afford something else right now

2-Money As horrible as the economy is and in as deep of debt as we are it just isn't feesable

3-Iran wouldn't be able to nuke us if we wanted to. They have not nearly the missile technology to pull it off, even if they did make a deal with China. They may attack another country which brings me to...

4-Israel. Even if Iran were able to build a bomb they would need to get it through most likely Iraq. That won't be able to happen. In part because of our security forces and in larger part to the fact that the Israelis have possibly the best intelligence agency in the world (Mossad).

5-The Iranian public. The Iranian people have little to no problem with us. But as in any case when you're dealing with religious lunatics you only hear from the lunatics themselves. How many times has Mahmoud Ahmadadada(?) been seen on the news saying something crazy? Alot. Of course you aren't going to hear anyone on the news come out with a positive statement. Why? Boooooring. The news is generally about the ratings systems nobody wants to see a bunch of nice people. They want conflict which is why you don't hear about any nice Iranian person. They aren't interesting enough for the news.

Are they a threat? Yes and no. I'd rather nobody have nukes but if they were to get one it may even turn out good.

15 years ago India and Pakistan were ready to annihilate each other. 10 years ago they both got nukes and are now get along better than ever.

The U.S. and U.S.S.R. One of the most bitter rivalries in history, both had nukes, neither country struck. And as cruel as he might be, Ahmadadada (you can't spell it either) is not exactly as vicious as Stalin or Mao.

So if Iran gets one, knowing Israel has a whole helluva lot more, the thought of mutually assured destruction would most likely kick in.

I apologize my feelings did kinda get into that one but I didn't mean for it to happen.