Iran

[machine]

I'm just going to be realistic here and not involve my personal feelings.

1-The military is stretched too thin. With Iraq and Afghanistan we can't afford something else right now

2-Money As horrible as the economy is and in as deep of debt as we are it just isn't feesable

3-Iran wouldn't be able to nuke us if we wanted to. They have not nearly the missile technology to pull it off, even if they did make a deal with China. They may attack another country which brings me to...

4-Israel. Even if Iran were able to build a bomb they would need to get it through most likely Iraq. That won't be able to happen. In part because of our security forces and in larger part to the fact that the Israelis have possibly the best intelligence agency in the world (Mossad).

5-The Iranian public. The Iranian people have little to no problem with us. But as in any case when you're dealing with religious lunatics you only hear from the lunatics themselves. How many times has Mahmoud Ahmadadada(?) been seen on the news saying something crazy? Alot. Of course you aren't going to hear anyone on the news come out with a positive statement. Why? Boooooring. The news is generally about the ratings systems nobody wants to see a bunch of nice people. They want conflict which is why you don't hear about any nice Iranian person. They aren't interesting enough for the news.

Are they a threat? Yes and no. I'd rather nobody have nukes but if they were to get one it may even turn out good.

15 years ago India and Pakistan were ready to annihilate each other. 10 years ago they both got nukes and are now get along better than ever.

The U.S. and U.S.S.R. One of the most bitter rivalries in history, both had nukes, neither country struck. And as cruel as he might be, Ahmadadada (you can't spell it either) is not exactly as vicious as Stalin or Mao.

So if Iran gets one, knowing Israel has a whole helluva lot more, the thought of mutually assured destruction would most likely kick in.

I apologize my feelings did kinda get into that one but I didn't mean for it to happen.

Where to begin... since you made a numbered list, I will go point by point and tell you why you are completely wrong.

1. "The military is stretched too thin..." Just because this line has been repeated on MSNBC over 1 BILLION times does not make it true. While we do have alot of forces in the mid-east at the moment, we are not stretched too far to get any sort of strike taken care of. A small amount of special forces/CIA goes a LONG way. Had we not gone into Iraq, and just worked on Afgan, we still would never invade Iran. We are working too hard on the population to get them to turn on their regime. It would be pointless to invade. If anything, air strikes will do, and those will most likely come from Israel, and if that does happen, Iran knows we have Israel backed up.

2. We have been in MUCH MUCH worse economic conditions and still fought major wars. Thought we are in national debt, we are not to the point where we can't afford ... anything. If something needs to get done, it gets done. It's just a question of importance.

3. When you are "not building a bomb and only using nuke power for peaceful purposes", you don't send it via missile ANYWAY. You walk it in on your back or in a suit case. Ask Iranian sponsored Hezballah about it. They have become the UPS of hand delivered bombs. China would not help anyone nuke us. If we go down (financially), the WORLD goes down, and no one wants that.

4. You don't have to travel thru Iraq to get to Israel. You can get there by any number of ways. Turkey, Persian Gulf, in the back of a cab thru Iraq. These people are ignorant without a doubt, but they are not stupid.

"Are they a threat? Yes and no. I'd rather nobody have nukes but if they were to get one it may even turn out good."

Where is the 'Yes or No' part in the synopses? I highly doubt that a terror supporting country acquiring a nuke could ever be a good thing.

"15 years ago India and Pakistan were ready to annihilate each other. 10 years ago they both got nukes and are now get along better than ever."

Read the news lately? They have been on the brink of war for the last 5 years, and more so in the last 2 weeks than EVER. Pakistan intel officers were responsible for the bombing of the Indian embassy in A-stan. ... better than ever.

"The U.S. and U.S.S.R. One of the most bitter rivalries in history, both had nukes, neither country struck. And as cruel as he might be, Ahmadadada (you can't spell it either) is not exactly as vicious as Stalin or Mao."

We were SO close on numerous occasions, it's not even funny. And I think Ahmadinejad saying that the Holocaust never happened, wanting to wipe Israel off the map, condoning the public execution of his citizens (women no-less) is at least warning sings of what is to come.

"So if Iran gets one, knowing Israel has a whole helluva lot more, the thought of mutually assured destruction would most likely kick in."

Don't be so sure. With religious fanatics in possession of a weapon that is pretty damn close to "the finger of god", I think they would be more than happy to use a nuke on Israel/US and be a hero to the entire Islamic world.

I am not too sure where you get the information that helps form your opinions, but I would suggest at least looking at a few different points of view before making such audacious and remarkable statements.

[CandyQuackenbush]

Where to begin... since you made a numbered list, I will go point by point and tell you why you are completely wrong.

1. "The military is stretched too thin..." Just because this line has been repeated on MSNBC over 1 BILLION times does not make it true. While we do have alot of forces in the mid-east at the moment, we are not stretched too far to get any sort of strike taken care of. A small amount of special forces/CIA goes a LONG way. Had we not gone into Iraq, and just worked on Afgan, we still would never invade Iran. We are working too hard on the population to get them to turn on their regime. It would be pointless to invade. If anything, air strikes will do, and those will most likely come from Israel, and if that does happen, Iran knows we have Israel backed up.

Last time I checked, we are stretched too thin.

I have been in the Army for over 6 years, and I am going on my THRID tour one month shy of my 7th year. I am a Reservest, and we are going over there to replace Active Duty units faster than anything.

It's not just something on MSNBC, it's the DoD that puts that out.

[machine]

Last time I checked, we are stretched too thin.

I have been in the Army for over 6 years, and I am going on my THRID tour one month shy of my 7th year. I am a Reservest, and we are going over there to replace Active Duty units faster than anything.

It's not just something on MSNBC, it's the DoD that puts that out.

The point being, that if the forces were need to start an entire new front, they would be there. And I don't mean via draft, which is something top Democrats are pushing HARD to re-instate.

(former Army here as well. yo)

[know_buddy_kares]

The point being, that if the forces were need to start an entire new front, they would be there. And I don't mean via draft, which is something top Democrats are pushing HARD to re-instate.

(former Army here as well. yo)

don't get me started again.. you never were in the army.. swear by it all you want, theres certain things you say that show dead on you never were. stop trolling and giving real soldiers a bad name.

[machine]

It is unfortunate that I had had my name pulled thru the mud because my opinions never popular here or at the DCC forum. Maybe had I said I agreed with all the anti-American postings, people would not have attacked me being a soldier and used what I had to say as some sort of 'proof' of their ideas. Instead I posted my opinions, backed them up with some actual experience, and people discredit and tryed to take me down.

I realize this is just the Internet, and there are ALOT of douche bags on here, in particular the former DCC board, but I really didn't expect someone's opinion would open up attacks on their personal/"real" life. But after further reading posts of various topics, this board has a odd familiarity to high school politics and antics. Basically, if you don't go along with the popular opinion/trend, you are deemed an outcast and are treated as such... personal attacks, name calling, etc.

And I am not trolling what so ever. Just debating. But again, I am not following the anti-Bush trend, so anything I say pro Bush/America is deemed ... trollish I guess.

[Goth Brooks]

Being pro bush is not being pro american.

the founding fathers would've lined up to strangle his dumb ass before they allowed him the presidency.

I'd also like to point out that the draft is a wonderful idea.

[peelingchrome]

Being pro bush is not being pro american.

the founding fathers would've lined up to strangle his dumb ass before they allowed him the presidency.

I agree completely!

I'd also like to point out that the draft is a wonderful idea.

Here I disagree. I feel that the draft is just the government's way of implying that they own us and can make us do what they want us to do. If there aren't enough people that care enough about our country to defend it, then it should be taken over or remade. Enforced patriotism is just an illusion, like the value of our dollar.

[Scales]

I see Iran as a political issue that is over-prioritized.

The military stationed in the Middle East should come back to America. The "War on Terror" won't end in the Middle East, it will end in America with anyone unfit to be in office.

[machine]

Being pro bush is not being pro american.

the founding fathers would've lined up to strangle his dumb ass before they allowed him the presidency.

I'd also like to point out that the draft is a wonderful idea.

On both points, you are 100% wrong.

[phee]

On both points, you are 100% wrong.

There were three points he had... which ones were you refering too?

[machine]

I grouped the first together as 1, since they were ... together...

And the draft of course is terrible, especially for a troop morale ... but for getting people that want to be there to actually be there.

I dunno about you, but I would not want someone that was drafted and that did not want to be there watching my back... I would want someone else that also wanted to be there.

[CandyQuackenbush]

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Here I disagree. I feel that the draft is just the government's way of implying that they own us and can make us do what they want us to do. If there aren't enough people that care enough about our country to defend it, then it should be taken over or remade. Enforced patriotism is just an illusion, like the value of our dollar.

If you can't fight for you country, why live in it?

Are you saying that if I, a real United States Solider, gets killed in Iraq, and this BS with Iran flairs up, your saying you WOULDN'T pick up my rifle and finish what I couldn't?

Maybe you should look at how other countries are literally DYING to keep their country their own. I am not just talking about Iraq and the terrorists. Those people have no problem going to fight for their right to live where they live.

I find it so freaking funny for you to say that this is an illusion. However, anywhere else, you wouldn't be able to do this. This talking about how our dollar vaule is down, and how our patriotism is forced. You sound like every other coward I've met.

You'd rather be the problem then the solution. Thanks, I'll pick up your extra slack.

[phee]

If you can't fight for you country, why live in it?

Are you saying that if I, a real United States Solider, gets killed in Iraq, and this BS with Iran flairs up, your saying you WOULDN'T pick up my rifle and finish what I couldn't?

Maybe you should look at how other countries are literally DYING to keep their country their own. I am not just talking about Iraq and the terrorists. Those people have no problem going to fight for their right to live where they live.

I find it so freaking funny for you to say that this is an illusion. However, anywhere else, you wouldn't be able to do this. This talking about how our dollar vaule is down, and how our patriotism is forced. You sound like every other coward I've met.

You'd rather be the problem then the solution. Thanks, I'll pick up your extra slack.

Please do not call names and observe the play nice rules.

Thanks