Checkpoint Charlize

[Nightgaunt]

Could he have been a little more polite? Sure. Was he justified in being pissed off? Absolutely.

Respect for authority does not include letting said authority trample all over us. Legitimate authority derives its power from the consent of the governed. If we consent to minor violations of our rights, it can only lead to bigger and bigger violations.

If you have nothing to hide, just accept the cavity search. Accept CPS taking your children pending an investigation to make sure you're not hiding anything. Accept your labor camp assignment. As long as your papers are in order, there's nothing to worry about, right? Right? We all have to do our part and give up a few rights to beat the terrorists.

Just keep your head down, citizen.

[jynxxxedangel]

:bravo

Excellent post, my bro.

[n0Mad]

Respect for authority does not include letting said authority trample all over us. Legitimate authority derives its power from the consent of the governed. If we consent to minor violations of our rights, it can only lead to bigger and bigger violations.

If you have nothing to hide, just accept the cavity search. Accept CPS taking your children pending an investigation to make sure you're not hiding anything. Accept your labor camp assignment. As long as your papers are in order, there's nothing to worry about, right? Right? We all have to do our part and give up a few rights to beat the terrorists.

Just keep your head down, citizen.

+ 3 because I'm more generous than Chernobyl and in green 'cuz it's cooler than yellow.

[vampire]

So the GREAT Constitution is STILL working , AMAZING ... this post just made my day.

Protect the CONSTITUTION!!!

[Rev.Reverence]

Could he have been a little more polite? Sure. Was he justified in being pissed off? Absolutely.

Respect for authority does not include letting said authority trample all over us. Legitimate authority derives its power from the consent of the governed. If we consent to minor violations of our rights, it can only lead to bigger and bigger violations.

If you have nothing to hide, just accept the cavity search. Accept CPS taking your children pending an investigation to make sure you're not hiding anything. Accept your labor camp assignment. As long as your papers are in order, there's nothing to worry about, right? Right? We all have to do our part and give up a few rights to beat the terrorists.

Just keep your head down, citizen.

?.....was that "The Sarcasm".....?

[jynxxxedangel]

We are not numbers, we are FREE MEN. Remember this.

REMEMBER THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, and the other great patriots. REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

We have much adversity to face in the coming days. I hope everyone has prepared themselves to either fight global tyranny, or lay down and die for the dictators like a spineless piece of shit. We can either be weak as tap water, or strong as an ocean tidal wave.

Demand your desired quality of life, demand your right to travel freely without being hampered, express your valuable opinions, DEMAND YOUR ACCESS TO INFORMATION!!!!! PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM, BEFORE IT IS TAKEN AWAY.

[TitsMcGee]

Could he have been a little more polite? Sure. Was he justified in being pissed off? Absolutely.

Respect for authority does not include letting said authority trample all over us. Legitimate authority derives its power from the consent of the governed. If we consent to minor violations of our rights, it can only lead to bigger and bigger violations.

If you have nothing to hide, just accept the cavity search. Accept CPS taking your children pending an investigation to make sure you're not hiding anything. Accept your labor camp assignment. As long as your papers are in order, there's nothing to worry about, right? Right? We all have to do our part and give up a few rights to beat the terrorists.

Just keep your head down, citizen.

Yes he can be pissed off, but again don't shoot the messenger. The woman is just trying to do her fucking job and he was acting like an ignorant peice of shit. My major point is go to the source of the problem and take up your problems with them, not someone on the bottom of the food chain. There are better ways to protest than making an ass out of yourself.

[Rev.Reverence]

We are not numbers, we are FREE MEN. Remember this.

REMEMBER THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, and the other great patriots. REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

We have much adversity to face in the coming days. I hope everyone has prepared themselves to either fight global tyranny, or lay down and die for the dictators like a spineless piece of shit. We can either be weak as tap water, or strong as an ocean tidal wave.

Demand your desired quality of life, demand your right to travel freely without being hampered, express your valuable opinions, DEMAND YOUR ACCESS TO INFORMATION!!!!! PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM, BEFORE IT IS TAKEN AWAY.

*holds up the REAL American flag*

[freydis]

What a cock.

That was totally unnecessary. She was just doing her job. She simply asked him if he was a citizen. She didn't ask to search his car, she didn't ask him to get out of his car.

How exactly are his rights being threatened?

And why does he have the right to be pissed off? The only person being hassled in the video was the border patrol agent.

[Nightgaunt]

Yes he can be pissed off, but again don't shoot the messenger. The woman is just trying to do her fucking job and he was acting like an ignorant peice of shit. My major point is go to the source of the problem and take up your problems with them, not someone on the bottom of the food chain. There are better ways to protest than making an ass out of yourself.

Nazi death camp soldiers were just doing their jobs. The Stasi were just doing their jobs. The Waco butchers were just following orders.

I do not see this as a valid excuse. When you become an officer of the law, you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. When they violate this oath, they aren't doing their jobs. I disagree that the driver was behaving in an ignorant fashion. He understood his rights better than the officer sworn to uphold those rights. Had he immediately asked to see the person in charge, I wonder what her response would have been? Oh right... "Answer my question."

Understand that this is not being done to curb illegal immigration. This is not being done to fight terrorism. This is being done to condition us to accept a police state.

[freydis]

We are not numbers, we are FREE MEN. Remember this.

REMEMBER THOMAS JEFFERSON, BENJAMIN FRANKLIN, ABRAHAM LINCOLN, and the other great patriots. REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.

We have much adversity to face in the coming days. I hope everyone has prepared themselves to either fight global tyranny, or lay down and die for the dictators like a spineless piece of shit. We can either be weak as tap water, or strong as an ocean tidal wave.

Demand your desired quality of life, demand your right to travel freely without being hampered, express your valuable opinions, DEMAND YOUR ACCESS TO INFORMATION!!!!! PROTECT YOUR RIGHT TO FREEDOM, BEFORE IT IS TAKEN AWAY.

That seems a little melodramatic to me.

Are you going to object the next time you try to go to Canada and come back over the border when they stop you and want to know what you were doing there, and if you're bringing anything back? Border patrol exists to protect our borders. Forks, WA is near the edge of the US:

Would they really have set up a checkpoint there just to hassle people?

[freydis]

Nazi death camp soldiers were just doing their jobs. The Stasi were just doing their jobs. The Waco butchers were just following orders.

I do not see this as a valid excuse. When you become an officer of the law, you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. When they violate this oath, they aren't doing their jobs. I disagree that the driver was behaving in an ignorant fashion. He understood his rights better than the officer sworn to uphold those rights. Had he immediately asked to see the person in charge, I wonder what her response would have been? Oh right... "Answer my question."

Understand that this is not being done to curb illegal immigration. This is not being done to fight terrorism. This is being done to condition us to accept a police state.

Oh please.

Nazi death camp soldiers?

Godwin's law?

Heh.

[freydis]

Is it really such a hardship to answer one or two questions instead of giving someone just trying to do their job a hard time? I'm sure she doesn't like having to stop ever care either and asking the same things over again. Unforunatly thats one of the realities in this country now, and I don't like it either, but I was at least raised to respect people of authority. The guy would have probably been in and out of that check point in 30 seconds if he would have just answered her questions. Illigal immigration is a problem in this country, the border patrol is just trying to do their jobs. Under the 100 mile rule, they are well within their rights to set up a check point there.

+1

[freydis]

According to most of the history I've read, this country was founded and profoundly influenced throughout its existence by people who were not afraid to stand up to authority when that authority was in the wrong. People having respect for authority, just because it IS authority, has never changed anything. Unions... civil rights... voting rights... none of those things came about via "respect for authority".

I don't see how a checkpoint close to the border (or if perhaps it is considered a weak point for illegal entry that needed to be examined?) infringes profoundly on anyone's rights.

Not like it was a border patrol stop in Iowa.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Nazi death camp soldiers were just doing their jobs. The Stasi were just doing their jobs. The Waco butchers were just following orders.

I do not see this as a valid excuse. When you become an officer of the law, you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. When they violate this oath, they aren't doing their jobs. I disagree that the driver was behaving in an ignorant fashion. He understood his rights better than the officer sworn to uphold those rights. Had he immediately asked to see the person in charge, I wonder what her response would have been? Oh right... "Answer my question."

Understand that this is not being done to curb illegal immigration. This is not being done to fight terrorism. This is being done to condition us to accept a police state.

Wrong. You swear an oath to uphold the Laws of the land. The only people that can judge whether a law is constitutional or not is a Federal Judge, as outlined in the Constitution.

[Hellion]

I respect only those that are uphold the law and are honest about it,Unfortunately there are not enough honest authorities left anymore.I will not respect corruption,carry on.

[Msterbeau]

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080...r-searches.html

Customs and Border Patrol agents can grab your laptop, BlackBerry, or external hard drive without needing so much as a reason, but a new bill introduced last week to Congress would at least put some limits on how border searches could be done.

"I was deeply concerned to learn about the lack of protections individuals' have when their electronic equipment is randomly seized," said Rep. Loretta Sanchez (D-CA), who introduced the bill. "With the passage of the Border Search Accountability Act of 2008, Americans will be able to travel with more peace of mind knowing that their data will be further protected and that there are stringent accountability measures in place for safeguarding their personal information."

Note what her bill will not do—make searches more difficult. Earlier this year, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals found that border searches of electronic devices (even those without any probably cause) did not run afoul of the Fourth Amendment's unreasonable search and seizure clause. Judges noted that precedent already allows searches of 1) briefcases and luggage, 2) a purse, wallet, or pocket, 3) papers found in pockets, and 4) pictures, films, and other graphic material. So why not laptops?

While such searches would not appear to be legal within the country, courts have long recognized the government's right to "protect its territorial integrity" by controlling the material passing across its borders.

Sanchez's bill would bring more routine to the search process. The bill requires the government to draft additional rules regarding information security, the number of days a device can be retained, receipts that must be issued when devices are taken, ways to report abuses, and it requires the completion of both a privacy impact study and a civil liberties impact study. Travelers would also have the explicit right to watch as the search is conducted.

Sanchez also wants data about the searches, which would have to be turned over to Congress once per quarter. Specifically, she wants to know how many searches are being done, where they take place, and the race and nationality of those being searched.

The Department of Homeland Security actually issued search rules over the summer; while they were the first rules made public on the process, which had started to look quite ad-hoc, they still came in for criticism from groups like the Association of Corporate Travel Executives. ACTE, which doesn't like have executive laptops pinched whenever someone travels overseas, complained in early August that devices could basically be kept indefinitely, the data could be shared with foreign governments, and no data destruction procedures were spelled out.

Coming so close to the end of this Congressional session, Sanchez's bill is unlikely to see action this year. It currently sits in the House Committee on Homeland Security, where it will likely expire when Congress adjourns.

Given the tremendous uncertainty the electronic search process creates for travelers, 40 civil liberties groups asked Congress back in May to hold hearings on the issue; so far, that has yet to happen, but Ars has spoken with several frequent travelers who already that precautions with sensitive corporate and personal data before going on international trips.

Perhaps the laptop search program will turn out to be as much of a boon for online data repositories as it will for the federal government

[Fin]

Yes he can be pissed off, but again don't shoot the messenger. The woman is just trying to do her fucking job and he was acting like an ignorant peice of shit.

I disagree. Watching the video, I believe he was very well informed (not ignorant) & was testing a line of questioning to see if she would follow it. I don't think there was malice in it, nor was there "fame" to be sought. I get the feeling he was trying to make a point & to create an instructional video, perhaps for others to follow. I also feel that had he been detained, he would have continued questioning the agents but would have done what he was told.

[TitsMcGee]

I disagree. Watching the video, I believe he was very well informed (not ignorant) & was testing a line of questioning to see if she would follow it. I don't think there was malice in it, nor was there "fame" to be sought. I get the feeling he was trying to make a point & to create an instructional video, perhaps for others to follow. I also feel that had he been detained, he would have continued questioning the agents but would have done what he was told.

I'm more refering to his tone when I said ignorant. The border patrol ageant has no say over the procedures she is suppose to enforced. To me it's like going up to a cashier at a store and bitching about how much something costs, like they have some control over the price setting.

[Nightgaunt]

I'm more refering to his tone when I said ignorant. The border patrol ageant has no say over the procedures she is suppose to enforced. To me it's like going up to a cashier at a store and bitching about how much something costs, like they have some control over the price setting.

'Cept the stakes are a little higher than at the grocery store. To me, that border agent is scary as hell: single-minded to the extreme, with no regard for the rights of citizens. And remember sports fans, she's the one with the gun.

[Msterbeau]

And remember sports fans, she's the one with the gun.

And, from stories I've read or heard, an ego problem. Which often translates into abuse of authority.. like rent a cops at malls. Except these people have the power to throw you in jail and all kinds of other nasty stuff.

[TitsMcGee]

'Cept the stakes are a little higher than at the grocery store. To me, that border agent is scary as hell: single-minded to the extreme, with no regard for the rights of citizens. And remember sports fans, she's the one with the gun.

Wow, that's quite the generalization. Sure there are some that think they are God or something but not all, and I speak from knowing since my cousin works for border patrol.

[freydis]

'Cept the stakes are a little higher than at the grocery store. To me, that border agent is scary as hell: single-minded to the extreme, with no regard for the rights of citizens. And remember sports fans, she's the one with the gun.

How is asking someone their citizenship infringing on their rights? Especially in an area close to the border?

[Msterbeau]

OK.... So I finally got to see the video, since the work computer doesn't allow YouTube...

The first thing that comes to mind is why on earth does the BORDER patrol need to set up a check point in the middle of nowhere? Why do they have jurisdiction? 100 miles from the border? Are they serious? If it was the local cops looking for drunk drivers I would be less concerned that something else underlies the reason for their check point.

And yeah... he was annoying. There are more polite ways to explain that you're not going to cooperate because you think their check point is illegal.

[Rev.Reverence]

Nazi death camp soldiers were just doing their jobs. The Stasi were just doing their jobs. The Waco butchers were just following orders.

I do not see this as a valid excuse. When you become an officer of the law, you swear an oath to uphold the Constitution. When they violate this oath, they aren't doing their jobs. I disagree that the driver was behaving in an ignorant fashion. He understood his rights better than the officer sworn to uphold those rights. Had he immediately asked to see the person in charge, I wonder what her response would have been? Oh right... "Answer my question."

Understand that this is not being done to curb illegal immigration. This is not being done to fight terrorism. This is being done to condition us to accept a police state.

:clap:

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