The Draft and Manditory Public Service

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

How do you feel about it? Do you think that we should bring back the draft or have manditory public service?

[Goth Brooks]

I've always been for it, at least as a requirement for anyone wishing to hold an elected office.

Dems whine about the military being a powerhouse of conservative/republicans, then refuse to join as its somehow demeaning to them.

[StormKnight (1)]

In some other developed countries, it is a requirement not to just register, but to *serve* before receiving any financial aid for higher education.

I'll admit I am not the most conservative person on the planet, and there are some aspects that I agree with on both sides. I knew better than to make my opinions known to the service while I was still in, and let my voting speak for me. There are a few liberal and democratic people in the service that I knew, and we all knew we were in the minority.

[Hellion]

IMO they should draft all crooked CEOs,crooked lawmakers and violent criminals.put the criminals on the front lines.

[sass_in_the_pants]

I think one of the things that makes our military so unique and strong is its entirely voluntary nature.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I'm asking because I think it's coming soon.

The Democrats have proposed Bills to bring back the Draft every year since the war started. Now Biden says that something bad is going to happen and that Obama is going to do something that will not make a lot of people happy... and Obama keeps talking about National Service should be required and that he thinks it's not fair that city kids make up such a small percentage of the military...

Shades of things to come?

[Simon Bar Sinister]

The military's not even the most of it. Obama's been openly saying for a long time now that the central element of his plan to make college education available to everyone is the mandatory service aspect. You get your schooling paid for in return for a committment to service in your community.

[Rev.Reverence]

I am against it MOSTLY for the reason that some people have Spiritual tenets that they ACTUALLY follow...

..to draft these peoples would be against the Constitution, as I see it..

..as it is a "Sin" or "Taboo" in their Spiritual Set to join a War machine.. EVEN on the rear line as a cook..

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

How is it un-Constitutional?

[Rev.Reverence]

How is it un-Constitutional?

The way I see it, (I am not an expert on this), but to FORCE someone to do something that is forbidden by their Spiritual tenants (PERSONAL or FOUNDED RELIGION) goes against the Spirit of the Document...if not the words themselves.

[Rev.Reverence]

Oh...but the Constitution does not stop the Republicans...

...& the Dems are using their play book now..so they will probably do it anyways...

[Hellion]

Forcing people to die for crooked politicians and CEOs is not right,leave it as "voluntary"remember what happened with Vietnam.I signed up for selective service when I turned 18, 20 years ago it was required.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

The way I see it, (I am not an expert on this), but to FORCE someone to do something that is forbidden by their Spiritual tenants (PERSONAL or FOUNDED RELIGION) goes against the Spirit of the Document...if not the words themselves.

I don't know of any Faith systems that do not allow Military service in a non-fighting capacity. Even the Amish served in the Military during Vietnam... as cooks and supply clerks. Their Faith is about as adamantly non-war as it can get.

Why are you somehow trying to pin this on Republicans? It's been Democrats that have been pushing for the draft, not Republicans.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Forcing people to die for crooked politicians and CEOs is not right,leave it as "voluntary"remember what happened with Vietnam.I signed up for selective service when I turned 18, 20 years ago it was required.

The military doesn't even want a draft. It takes more time and money to train conscripted soldiers than volunteers and they don't fight as well as their heart is not in it.

[Rev.Reverence]

I don't know of any Faith systems that do not allow Military service in a non-fighting capacity. Even the Amish served in the Military during Vietnam... as cooks and supply clerks. Their Faith is about as adamantly non-war as it can get.

Why are you somehow trying to pin this on Republicans? It's been Democrats that have been pushing for the draft, not Republicans.

I am not. I in no way shape or form said anything of the sort. I don't five a flying fuck WHO had the idea to reinstate the Draft..... they are dipshits.

I simply stated that the Republicans have no problem breaking the Constitution [in other cases]; so I have seen...

..& that THIS time...it will be the Dems stepping up to show their true colours & it will be a crime worse than just breaking it...it will also be HYPOCRISY. I see it as a far worse thing to be Treasonous after you have already Judged another man Guilty of it. One should know the difference...

I am certain that if you look at it in a different light you would see, quite clearly, that any Catholic, Orthodox, Hindu, Taoist, & even some sects of Buddhism; can not participate in any way...not lift a wrench or a spatula...as to aid the Soldiers is to make them ready to fight, & from a Cosmic point of view...(Krishna-Consciousness, Kether-Conciousness) , you would be helping them be healthy to kill...you'ld be a part of the killing machine..& Sinning in your own eyes...

NO GOVERNMENT has the Right to make a man feel that he is SINNING. That is called TYRANNY.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

It's not "Thou shalt not Kill" it's "Though Shalt not Murder"

[hunhee]

The military is good for some, and not so good for others. I know the military was very helpful to some of my friends who joined after high school. It matured them, and brought them more focus. I'm not saying this was the case for all of my friends, but it was the case for some that needed the structure in their lives.

I thought that all 18 year old males were required to register for the draft (in a chance they would enact a draft). I remember my brother doing it. I was sorta miffed at that age, because I thought it was a double standard that males should have to register, and women didn't. I'm not a feminatzi, but I do like gender equality. I would have registered.

I am going to look into this.

[violentivy]

I don't feel that any of us about the age of 23 have any right to comment or decide on this issue.

We wouldn't be the ones serving.

I may not have minded mandatory service, because service doesn't mean military service.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I don't feel that any of us about the age of 23 have any right to comment or decide on this issue.

We wouldn't be the ones serving.

I may not have minded mandatory service, because service doesn't mean military service.

You should look into the draft more.

The last proposed legislation to re-instate the draft had a maximum age of 42.

[Rev.Reverence]

It's not "Thou shalt not Kill" it's "Though Shalt not Murder"

English (Douay-Rheims)

1 And the Lord spoke all these words: 2 I am the Lord thy God, who brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. 3 Thou shalt not have strange gods before me. 4 Thou shalt not make to thyself a graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or in the earth beneath, nor of those things that are in the waters under the earth. A graven thing, nor the likeness of any thing, etc... All such images, or likenesses, are forbidden by this commandment, as are made to be adored and served; according to that which immediately follows, thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them. That is, all such as are designed for idols or image-gods, or are worshipped with divine honour. But otherwise images, pictures, or representations, even in the house of God, and in the very sanctuary so far from being forbidden, are expressly authorized by the word of God. See Exodus 25:15, and etc.; Exodus 38:7; Numbers 21:8-9; 1 Chronicles 28:18-19; 2 Chronicles 3:10. 5 Thou shalt not adore them, nor serve them: I am the Lord thy God, mighty, jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me: 6 And showing mercy unto thousands to them that love me, and keep my commandments. 7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain: for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that shall take the name of the Lord his God in vain. 8 Remember that thou keep holy the sabbath day. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and shalt do all thy works. 10 But on the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: thou shalt do no work on it, thou nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy beast, nor the stranger that is within thy gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them, and rested on the seventh day: therefore the Lord blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it. 12 Honour thy father and thy mother, that thou mayst be longlived upon the land which the Lord thy God will give thee. 13 Thou shalt not kill. 14 Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15 Thou shalt not steal. 16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. 17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house; neither shalt thou desire his wife, nor his servant, nor his handmaid, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is his.

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The 10 Commandments - God's Revelation in the Old Testament

The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

Commandment Jewish (Talmudic)**** Anglican, Reformed, and other Christian Orthodox Roman Catholic, Lutheran**

I am the Lord your God 1 preface 1 1

You shall have no other gods before me 2 1

You shall not make for yourself an idol 2 2

You shall not make wrongful use of the name of your God 3 3 3 2

Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy 4 4 4 3

Honor your father and mother 5 5 5 4

You shall not murder* 6 6 6 5

You shall not commit adultery 7 7 7 6

You shall not steal*** 8 8 8 7

You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor 9 9 9 8

You shall not covet your neighbor's house 10 10 10 9

You shall not covet your neighbor's wife 10

Notes:

* The Roman Catholic Church uses the translation 'kill' (less specific) instead of 'murder'.[4]

** Some Lutheran churches use a slightly different division of the Ninth and Tenth Commandments (9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house; 10. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his workers, or his cattle, or anything that is your neighbor’s).[5]

*** Sources within Judaism assert that this is a reference to kidnapping, whereas Leviticus 19:11 is the Biblical reference banning the stealing of property. This understanding is based on the Talmudical hermeneutic known as דבר הלמד מעניינו/davar ha-lamed me-inyano, (lit. Something proved by the context), by which this must refer to a capital offense just as the previous two commandments refer to capital offenses.[6]

**** The "Talmudic Division" is the breakdown held by modern Judaism, and dates to at least the Third Century. The "Philonic Division", which dates to the first century, is found in the writings of Philo and Josephus. They ended the first commandment after verse 3 and list the second commandment as verses 4-6, similar to most Protestants (non-Lutheran) and the Eastern Orthodox Church. .[7]

WHICH TEN COMMANDMENTS??

So...it seems to me; that my statement that SOME peoples would have serious qualms about being drafted...alas THAT is why it is an issue...

..thank you that is all.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I'd prefer, as do many others, to not changing the Word of God. It's murder, just like the most ancient of writings have it. Not some modern translation designed to give more poower to the almighty Church.

[SaGa]

fundamentally its a democratic thing to draft. free market holds true to the army currently, people serve and get education and cash incentives back. and its all based much like employment is to a company

[Goth Brooks]

I'd prefer, as do many others, to not changing the Word of God.

You speak ancient greek?

Sorry, had to do it

Also, I'd like to point out that mandatory public service would not necessarily mean combat, or even military, service.

I honestly wonder if the dems want the draft reinstated so bad, because they know the military is 99% republican (facetious) and want to introduce a lil liberalism into it without seeming to advocate the military (bad for socioliberalcommiepinkos!).

i honestly cannot come up with any other viable reason for their hardon for the draft.

[sass_in_the_pants]

I am against it MOSTLY for the reason that some people have Spiritual tenets that they ACTUALLY follow...

..to draft these peoples would be against the Constitution, as I see it..

..as it is a "Sin" or "Taboo" in their Spiritual Set to join a War machine.. EVEN on the rear line as a cook..

If you are drafted, you can still serve as a conscientious objector.

My husband's grandfather was that. He served as a medic. He was some apostolic protestant sect...not sure which one.

Here's an interesting little thing from the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (yeah, yeah, I know, not everyone's Catholic...but they've got the best searchable database of documents on the internetz)

http://www.usccb.org/sdwp/peace/Guidanceon...taryService.pdf

[Msterbeau]

I think it's a good idea for a number of reasons that I'm too tired to write until I get some sleep.