Once you eat the honey

[Lilith]

Piggy, i did not read the whole thread so some of this may be out of place and i apologize for this but please bear with me.

U are very pretty, very very very pretty. Your looks open the door for many potential good partners. Most guys will not approach you because you are pretty and they fear rejection from you. They probally feel as if you look way too god for them butthey secretly want you. You have to get this through your head, you can have any man you want and you deserve a good man too. Others do want you, hell if i was single and 100% into girls i would want you on that level ( but i am not and your just hot and great eye candy for me plzz take that as a complimant).

You have so much power my dear and you dont even know it. People in general fear rejection, most of the time men are terrified of woman, the good ones any how and they will never approach you, you are simply too good for them in there eyes. Even though you dont feel that it is true. You have a great asset that can open any door to a good relationship all you have to do is knock on it and get the ball rolling.

Tke intitave and go after a good guy and see what happens, personalitlies may not match and you may find he is not such a good guy but the one who may make your heart jump may never talk to you because you are intimadiating to them. I found lestat cause i started to talk to him, he ould have never came to talk to me and i was his waitress for over a year, he knew me and wanted me on a sexual basis but then fell in love after i started to speak, if i had never talked to him i would be in the same place as u i am sure.

Take a chance on some thing good u r worth it.

Lilith

[Dollardave]

I was informed that I am the reason he does Heroin.

(even though he did it before I met him)

I am evil. Vindictive. I make his life miserable. I do not respect him. I'm using him (for what I'm not sure. I buy everything).

I'm just like everyother woman.

I said ok. Lets end it. He blew up. Screaming, threatening, saying next time I see him I will get slapped.

Doesn't matter. My face is still healing from the last time.

Its not the drugs. Its him.

He had several chances. I told him I already knew the game he was playing and I didn't want to play. I havent' been hit in years. Well at least from a guy that I'm not in a physical fight with.

Just reminded me why I don't date. Open up or even care.

I guess I'm some all mighty god. I make him do drugs that he was doing before I met him. I guess I'm the devil. I ruin his life. I guess I'm some saint. I make everything perfect.

Bi polar what?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Well he slapped you thats about it Jesi. You don't need that shit. I never hit a girlfriend I ever dated or my wife although she has hit me. Hasn't in years tho one time she threw a glass at my face when we were renting a room at city club I blocked it and it ended up breaking a picture on the wall. Anyways time to move on Jesi. Hitting is unacceptable I watched my dad beat on my mom when I was a kid needless to say they got divorced. As a friend time to get away Jes. If u need to talk u got my number.

[Head Wreck]

okay. he struck you?

any imbacile who strikes a woman isnt a man.

you need a man jessi right? not a spoilt child who lashes out if things dont go his way

he is dispicable and dishonourable.

my last two cents on this matter.

listen to what lillith said. its very fuckin true of most of us.

any person deserves better than him. for striking a woman he has lost all rights in my opinion to be even considered human.

[Steven]

Be good to you Jesi.

Sometimes thats hard to do, we confuse the simple things, i know I do.

So be good to you anyway.

And Lillith is right, only she failed to mention that you have a nice butt too.

So.... take a strife break, and then wait on everything till you find a good man. I'd rather be alone any day than with someone who is scandelous or just bad fro me in general.... I've all ready done that far too many times and I gather so have most of us (picked bad people).

I know "good" can sound like a dispicable word, but its not meant to insinuate a man without huevos - good is just good.

A good man, who's also a butt man - shoot, how can you go wrong?

Steven

PS - loneliness is temporal. If your having a hard time I'll get you a kitten (no shit).

[Daevion]

I was informed that I am the reason he does Heroin.

(even though he did it before I met him)

I am evil. Vindictive. I make his life miserable. I do not respect him. I'm using him (for what I'm not sure. I buy everything).

I'm just like everyother woman.

I said ok. Lets end it. He blew up. Screaming, threatening, saying next time I see him I will get slapped.

Doesn't matter. My face is still healing from the last time.

Its not the drugs. Its him.

He had several chances. I told him I already knew the game he was playing and I didn't want to play. I havent' been hit in years. Well at least from a guy that I'm not in a physical fight with.

Just reminded me why I don't date. Open up or even care.

I guess I'm some all mighty god. I make him do drugs that he was doing before I met him. I guess I'm the devil. I ruin his life. I guess I'm some saint. I make everything perfect.

Bi polar what?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

After reading this....forget about what I said about another chance.....looks like he already bombed his "second, third, or whatever # chance". Unless you like the abuse, I would get the hell out of that situation.

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

Do you really want advice or are you just looking for attention/pity?

This thread seems to be turning into a "guess what mistake I have made this week" show and tell....

Im really amazed people will date heroin Junkies.... thats just asking for a Hi-Five (slang HIV reference... not a literal Hi-Five).

You buy everything and he slaps you.... thats interesting too... wow.

I had forgotten alot since I worked at the XXXXXXXX edited for content ... but I guess things dont change much.

I feel really bad for you if you are having so much trouble dealing with this....

[Dollardave]

Im really amazed people will date heroin Junkies.... thats just asking for a Hi-Five (slang HIV reference... not a literal Hi-Five).

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

LOL he said Hi-5. I haven't heard this since my fine ballads on the sore man. Be nice cuz jesi likes to shoot occasionally.

[wheresmypiggy]

No I don't like to shoot occassionally. It was a problem I had. A problem I got sucked back into with helpl Yes it was my own choice.

In regards to pity or attention. Neither.

I'm a very closed person. I don't open myself up much. I met a guy who was really nice. Everyone said go for it. I got worried. Tried to back out. Everyone said relax, thats how this began. Not that I blame anyone but myself.

As for being amazed people will date heroin junkies.... FUCK YOU.

I was a junkie. That doesnt make me a bad person. I wasn't a bad person when I was a junkie either. Don't be so judgemental.

I'm sorry I came here looking for help. Wondering what other people thought.

I thought maybe I was being too uptight. So I asked the opinion of others. Shit obviously got outta hand. I am no longer speaking to him, around him even acknowledging that he exists.

So forget you and your pity.

I asked for insight.

I didn't ask to be made a fool, called a junkie, made to feel as if I am stupid.

Read through the whole post. Instead of skimming. You'll see my questions, peoples answers, my fears of me being wrong. peoples encouragement.

Sorry I wasn't born perfect and became a junkie, sorry for anyone who ever dates me right?

Sorry for me trying to move on with my life. Needing help from people I thought wouldn't be so judgemental.

Well fuck you and your over casting judgement.

Take a walk in my shoes. Then you can judge me. Until then. Why don't you screen all your 'partners' ask them if they have ever done any drugs. Judge them. Miss out on the good people in life because you are so narrow minded.

Not everyone makes their own choices. We'd like to think that. Maybe you coulda told that to the boy who shot me up the first time. Or maybe you coulda told the guy that kept me hostage for 8months. Maybe one of them would have listened to you. Certainly didnt listen to some junkie girl like me right?

[Paint it Black]

:fear

The wheels have now come off of this thread.

Sorry piggy, don't let it fuck with you or bother you.

You don't have to answer to anyone but yourself and your god (if applicable).

Keep it real.

[ZhukovCodeslinger]

This thread was supposed to be about why you shouldnt continue to take him back... not about past or current problems you may have had.

Im sure most people who use Heroin are nice... but as a general rule dating them is not good.

I did read the whole thread as it continued to twist and turn. (for and against you taking him back or whatever several times)... and I have always said the same thing: He is poison. Period.

I was not judging you because of your use of Heroin, which i did not know about or care about to be honest (thought dave was joking until you confirmed it) anyway... you using heroin is not an issue to wether or not you should be with that guy.... the guy using it (heroin) is part of the issue... (I dont care if you have a raging problem right now... not part of the question at hand)

nobody is perfect, so what? If you are a junkie or not... again not an issue (things change especially after you quit permanently and get tested etc)

Sorry but I reserve to have/cast opinions and judgements that are vaguely simiar to those that the majority of society holds (a distaine for Heroin for instance... I also dont like rapists, murderers or pedophiles... and yes I judge them) since I am apart of this society and I was socialized into it.

Again, you getting shot up by a boy or held hostage for 8 months are beyond the scope of "should I date this guy".

About the "walk in my shoes" part... to be honest I would not want to and could not even if I had the inclination.

You are probably right about asking for advice here being "a bad thing" because since there are several hundred people on the board, you might not like all the answers you hear... the same could be said in therapy or counseling... if you liked all the answers, then why bother asking anyway? That would not be avice, it would just be reassurance.

Anyway, why does what I say matter? I have never had most of the experiences/problems you are dealing with... SO I DONT KNOW.... everything might be fine and peachy... But Ill never know, im way too boring/square.

[Steven]

Do you really want advice or are you just looking for attention/pity?

This thread seems to be turning into a "guess what mistake I have made this week" show and tell....

Im really amazed people will date heroin Junkies.... thats just asking for a Hi-Five (slang HIV reference... not a literal Hi-Five).

You buy everything and he slaps you.... thats interesting too... wow. 

I had forgotten alot since I worked at the XXXXXXXX edited for content ... but I guess things dont change much.

I feel really bad for you if you are having so much trouble dealing with this....

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Not Cool Dude.

Ever been junkhead? Doubt it.

Ever been sprung? Had a little problem...just wanted to party a little and the next thing you know a bunch of years slipped by and you got dirty?

Dont talk to addicts like your in the know if your not - there's much you dont understand - and nobody starts off expecting to have a problem, it becomes us, takes over, and everything changes - including the people you let in and the places and situation you wind up in.

Obviously I dont like the fact that Jesi was getting attatched to a Heroin addict either - but I never brought it up because I once had a junkhead of my own with red hair and beautiful boobs and I got lost with her in Hollywood for a long time and beleive me it can happen to anyone and the life can suck anyone into it and an addict is an addict is an addict - I didint do Heroin but I did everything else in mass quanitity and I was no better. I've seen the best people in the world become dirty. Nobody's born that way.

I dont know Jesi but I know she's seen things.

I can relate to that - appreciate it for what it is - she has wisdom even if she struggles - and everyone else struggles anyway - she has experience that will allow her to lead others if life takes her that way. She has tremendous potential (shut up I aint sucking ass) and value if you just listen to her and not gawk at her.

Be a friend dude, dont be a dick.

Steven

[CheezIts]

Thank you for having the guts to give your real opinion (which is VERY valid, despite what others say) and not just try to sound nice and kiss up to Miss Piggy like almost everyone else on this board does. She obviously wants to be in the spotlight with this thread and has captured quite an audience. She's asking for trouble and will most definitely get more of it from this guy.

This thread was supposed to be about why you shouldnt continue to take him back... not about past or current problems you may have had.

Im sure most people who use Heroin are nice... but as a general rule dating them is not good.

I did read the whole thread as it continued to twist and turn. (for and against you taking him back or whatever several times)... and I have always said the same thing: He is poison.  Period.

I was not judging you because of your use of Heroin, which i did not know about or care about to be honest (thought dave was joking until you confirmed it) anyway... you using heroin is not an issue to wether or not you should be with that guy.... the guy using it (heroin) is part of the issue... (I dont care if you have a raging problem right now... not part of the question at hand)

nobody is perfect, so what?  If you are a junkie or not... again not an issue (things change especially after you quit permanently and get tested etc)

Sorry but I reserve to have/cast opinions and judgements that are vaguely simiar to those that the majority of society holds (a distaine for Heroin for instance... I also dont like rapists, murderers or pedophiles... and yes I judge them) since I am apart of this society and I was socialized into it. 

Again, you getting shot up by a boy or held hostage for 8 months are beyond the scope of "should I date this guy".

About the "walk in my shoes" part... to be honest I would not want to and could not even if I had the inclination.

You are probably right about asking for advice here being "a bad thing" because since there are several hundred people on the board, you might not like all the answers you hear... the same could be said in therapy or counseling... if you liked all the answers, then why bother asking anyway?  That would not be avice, it would just be reassurance.

Anyway, why does what I say matter?  I have never had most of the experiences/problems you are dealing with... SO I DONT KNOW.... everything might be fine and peachy... But Ill never know, im way too boring/square.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

[Saephyr]

too many men to fuck around with some jack off who has communication issues dearheart. You know who you love as pals and he should respect it. Hugging a guypal...ok that's when you should SLAp the fucker in the back of his head and YELL :devil YOU WANT SOME PUNK...FUCK WITH ME ABOUT MY FRIENDS ONE MORE TIME AND YOU'LL SEE SOME! :devil

Controlling jackoff insecure nerd!

[Steven]

So unless we agreed with you two rookies and slammed her then we're kissing her ass?

Why is it that were kissing her ass anyway? What do we get out of it? A fuzzy feeling? A Date?

How often do you two brave warriors go public with your personal struggles by the way? And since you dont seem to know (personally) this particular lifestyle and all of its complications, why is then that your positions happen to tbe the ones bearing the most validity? Because you saw an after school special called "hey kids - dont do smack"?

And finally - where exactly in Jesi's post's does she say "Hey man - I need some advice"?

I dont find her asking for anything. I find her sharing - sharing some potentially damaging personal decisions in a public forum, - and that johnny, takes a wee bit of guts. You can respect it - even learn from it - or you can assume a self-appointed position of superiority over her - even though you lack the experience for true empathy.

Kiss Ass Steven

[Brenda Starrr]

I will ask that this thread not continue on its rude and insulting path. It has to stop NOW, please. Jesi merely came into this thread, telling her story, not asking for any of our advice. We gave it anyway, but it is really getting out of hand.

[Draco1958]

I can empathize to a point. My ex was very possesive of me at gatherings yet totally ignored me the rest of the time. Yet expected me to allow her her male friends yet I could not have any female friends. It's nice to see someone who has a good head on her shoulders and stands up for herself and avoids trouble. I wish you the best and be safe sweetie. It seems you have many friends here who care and support you. Glad I joined this site, good people here.

[Steven]

I will ask that this thread not continue on its rude and insulting path. It has to stop NOW, please. Jesi merely came into this thread, telling her story, not asking for any of our advice. We gave it anyway, but it is really getting out of hand.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

She's right folks.

[Homicidalheathen]

I love this place because your all there for me when I am stupid, down....whatever.

I am not a junky anymore but still make the same mistakes.

I got involved with someone this year who said he loved me, wanted me, ect....then got real mean and crazy.

I won't go into all of it but having you people to talk to helps me deal and get a better perspective.....I don't seek negative attention anymore than this girl does.

Men lie and hide who they truely are when they are abusive....its that by the time we figure it out we are already in love or at least care and have invested so much time, energy...money....we don't want to let go.

I will not however put up with physical abuse and gotta tell ya....those types of men don't usually change. Thats why they end up alone.

Co dependant relationships keep us in a place mentally that make abuse and abusing drugs seem almost normal.....your both in it together after all.

You need to dump the guy honey. I know it hurts.....but you will get over him.

[wheresmypiggy]

Thank you for who have helped me.

I came on here telling my story looking for other insights on the situation. Not to be told I'm being stupid. Not to be made to feel like scum for past decisions in my life. Not to be attacked for decisions I made. Not to be put in the "lime light".

I am used to pushing people away.

I am used to destroying a situation so that no one could get close to me.

I was worried thats what I might have been doing.

He seemed like a really nice guy.

I put the situation out for others to view so that I could get their perspective on what was going on. Not to broadcast my life for attention.

I wanted to be happy. He made me happy but at way too much of a price.

I appreciate everyones different views on the matter. Pretaining to the matter only.

I have not noticed anyone "kissing" my ass. I have seen people giving their true opinions on the matter.

Those who did not veer off course.

You want to judge me. Feel free to.

If you can't see my point of view. Oh well.

I'm on a messageboard where most of these people have become my friends irl. I respect what they have to say, for the most part.

I merely asked. "Is it just me making him out to be the bad guy, or is he a sociopath?"

Well I got my answer when I got hit.

End of story.

Thank you for all of your help.

Goodbye.