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The Void Newbie

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What is the source of your source torn asunder? and even then, what is their source?

:laughing just messing man. *lol*

torn asunder Enthusiast

torn asunder

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What is the source of your source torn asunder?  and even then, what is their source?

:laughing  just messing man. *lol*

:wink:happy:

The Void Newbie

The Void

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Unfortunately for reasons unknown (weird) the paper on the RNC has been removed from the ACLU site as has the DNC's paper. I find this strange only because the ACLU has papers dating back to 2003, so this would have been more recent.

Hrm, *wonders if ACLU was forced to remove these items*

I'll still search the net since someone else may have archived the paper on a server elsewhere. *searches more*

Blackmail Newbie

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You are on a tangent and are not reading.  I was trying to appease you with an alternative but you seem to just want to slice and dice all those in your wake. 

I will do a diligent search for the report regarding the Rep. National Convention and the police issues, arrests and first-hand accounts of American citizens and place that link here. 

I stated that I had not read the article I posted.  You seem to not be reading anything I say because I am trying to be very specific with you because again, all you 'seem' to want to do is slice and dice people today. 

Granted maybe this is a bad day for you.  I will do my best to find the paper I spoke of and reference it here, but I don't dance a little dance for anyone but myself.  :wink

P.S. The Patriot Act allows shit like this to happen and does not have to be specifically mentioned for those with a mind to make the connection.

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What the hell are you on about? Slicing and dicing?

You mentioned stories about the patriot act. i asked for a source and you linked to an article that had nothing to do with the Patriot Act. I point out that it has nothing to do with the patriot act and you accuse me of attacking you.

The topic is the patriot act. If you think the Patriot Act is responsible for stopping protests, I suggest you look into Vietnam protests, which came long before the Patriot Act existed.

Blackmail Newbie

Blackmail

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WHERE DID I ASK FOR A SOURCE?"

thank you

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Still waiting Torn Asunder. I asked for reasons why people hated the Patriot Act, I did not ask for a "source".

Tic Toc.....

torn asunder Enthusiast

torn asunder

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WHERE DID I ASK FOR A SOURCE?"

thank you

http://www.detroitgothic.net/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=206714

http://www.detroitgothic.net/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=206850

you asked for evidence, examples... were someone to give them to you, they would have to come from a source, and you know as well as i do, with the ranting you've been doing about sources, that you'd ask for them. why must you be so difficult? :erm

The Void Newbie

The Void

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http://www.nlgnyc.org/pdf/nyc_fall2004.pdf

This is the National Lawyers Guild newletter which briefly talks about what the ACLU put out in their report on the RNC (which as you see the link is not available at the ACLU website).

Happenings that took place at the RNC were allowed to happen under the "domestic terrorism" category. No, The Patriot Act will rarely, if ever, be mentioned in an unpleasant light because no one wants to draw attention to this monster of a bill that should never have passed under such diress.

I mean, how convenient that this 300+ page bill was just written up so quickly *cough, cough* and presented at a time when it would be impossible not to pass because no one wants to be accused of being unpatriotic by going against a president during wartime.

I'll start a new thread specific to ripping the Patriot Act apart, piece by piece and I will provide a link to the PA.

By the way, when the PA was first initialized links to it could be found easily online, and just several months ago many links, including government agency links, were mysteriously broken as if they wanted to make it really difficult to find and read the PA.

Blackmail Newbie

Blackmail

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http://www.detroitgothic.net/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=206714

http://www.detroitgothic.net/index.php?sho...ndpost&p=206850

you asked for evidence, examples... were someone to give them to you, they would have to come from a source, and you know as well as i do, with the ranting you've been doing about sources, that you'd ask for them. why must you be so difficult?  :erm

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Because you are a liar. I have written 2 mods about this now and I will be mentioning to Troy tonight as well.

Nowhere in your links did I use the word "source", I asked for reasons why people might be upset about the Patriot Act.

Torn Asunder you are a liar. LIAR. You LIED.

This is not about me being difficult. Of course you are a moderator who wrote me a PM calling me an "asshole" when you had your facts all wrong and now you are LYING.

One last time, where did I ask for a source (a source is asking for evidence of a claim)? I DIDN'T and that means you lied.

LIAR

LIAR

LIAR

LIAR

LIAR

The Void Newbie

The Void

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Still waiting Torn Asunder.  I asked for reasons why people hated the Patriot Act, I did not ask for a "source". 

Tic Toc.....

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Tic toc? see, you are attacking people and demanding immediate answers. Sheesh, get a grip on yourself.

Better yet, go by a Mary J. Blige CD and listen to her song "No More Drama"

have fun. :nut

Blackmail Newbie

Blackmail

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Tic toc? see, you are attacking people and demanding immediate answers. Sheesh, get a grip on yourself.

Better yet, go by a Mary J. Blige CD and listen to her song "No More Drama"

have fun.  :nut

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Thanks for your input.

torn asunder Enthusiast

torn asunder

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i think it's funny you're get off on this... but you bore me, so i'm done. have fun teddy-boy! :wink

Blackmail Newbie

Blackmail

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i think it's funny you're get off on this... but you bore me, so i'm done. have fun teddy-boy!  :wink

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I am sorry you chose to derail this topic by lying. I am sorry you're bored, nonetheless I am still making sure the right people see this thread and your false accusations in it.

torn asunder Enthusiast

torn asunder

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thank you, drive thru... :erm

Blackmail Newbie

Blackmail

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http://www.nlgnyc.org/pdf/nyc_fall2004.pdf

This is the National Lawyers Guild newletter which briefly talks about what the ACLU put out in their report on the RNC (which as you see the link is not available at the ACLU website).

Happenings that took place at the RNC were allowed to happen under the "domestic terrorism" category.  No, The Patriot Act will rarely, if ever, be mentioned in an unpleasant light because no one wants to draw attention to this monster of a bill that should never have passed under such diress.

I mean, how convenient that this 300+ page bill was just written up so quickly *cough, cough* and presented at a time when it would be impossible not to pass because no one wants to be accused of being unpatriotic by going against a president during wartime.

I'll start a new thread specific to ripping the Patriot Act apart, piece by piece and I will provide a link to the PA.

By the way, when the PA was first initialized links to it could be found easily online, and just several months ago many links, including government agency links, were mysteriously broken as if they wanted to make it really difficult to find and read the PA.

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See, you're going to call this slicing and dicing, but there was no hard evidence of anything wrong in this piece, as they were Op/Ed's. I am not in favor of mass protests anyway as the taxpayers get stuck with the bill and in the case of New York - the protestors became violent - and these protests bring about no social change anyway.

I am all for listening to a real debate about the Patriot Act and how it supposedly ruins peoples lives, all I hear is weak arguments presented by the ACLU (and notice how the ACLU loses almost all of it's court cases, it seems they don't know the law).

Since most of the Patriot Act held up in the Courts, what is the problem? If the Courts deem the Patriot Act legal, how is it infringing on anyones rights?

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Anyway I am still wondering why people are crying over this.  I've seen nothing to indicate that the partiot act is illegal and I've seen nothing to indicate it has impeded any average person's life.  I know it has helped to catch terrorists.   

So I fail to see why people are up in arms about something that affects very very few people yet has probably saved lives.    The NSA is not watching to see what you are buying at the grocery store and no one is losing any "rights".

Bringing us back to the point at hand... the above argument really bothers me for a few reasons...

1.) "...has impeded any average persons life" so by this argument, you must be average to be safe? or is it that if you are not "average" you are a terrorist? I don't really consider myself all that average, and very little of my friends I would consider "average".

2.) "Very very few people" so that makes it right? I and my friends are considered few... so as long as it is not the very few you know it's ok?... again it sounds familiar to other periods of history that I know, where as long as it's not happening to me it is not wrong...

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