Wiretapping bill passed

[Hellion]

House passes new surveillance law

whats your opinions

[ttogreh]

Let's see it pass the senate, then I will say what I think. for now, this is still pending.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I really hope is passes into law.

[Morbid Side]

That would include saying harsh acts of terrorism on message boards.

[Hellion]

Just wait till the government forces everyone to have a "chip" implanted in them,so they know where you are and what you are saying,only the sheeple will go along with this.

[jynxxxedangel]

Just wait till the government forces everyone to have a "chip" implanted in them,so they know where you are and what you are saying,only the sheeple will go along with this.

*straightface*

I say we create a domaine and secede..

FUCK the sheeple.

[Vater Araignee]

Yet another reason I keep looking for an unclaimed island.

[Rev.Reverence]

I really hope is passes into law.

*scratches head&shrugs shoulders*

I wanna' know if anyone else reads the little comments at the bottom of the news...

..I saw this and it explains how I feel pretty good...it's a quote from Ben Franklin..

They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.

MY Forefathers did not mean for this...spying randomly on our own. They thought they were giving birth to a great thing..am I thee only one who sees how it now cowers?..Seeing an enemy that is not there..Pumping up the threat to curtail the FREEDOMS of it's own...OUR Nation is out of sorts with it's Philosophical Foundations.

Panty-waist-scaredy-cat-weakness..that's the words I hear in the back of my head right now.

(In Grandfather Washington's voice.)

[Angel of Death]

*scratches head&shrugs shoulders*

I wanna' know if anyone else reads the little comments at the bottom of the news...

..I saw this and it explains how I feel pretty good...it's a quote from Ben Franklin..

MY Forefathers did not mean for this...spying randomly on our own. They thought they were giving birth to a great thing..am I thee only one who sees how it now cowers?..Seeing an enemy that is not there..Pumping up the threat to curtail the FREEDOMS of it's own...OUR Nation is out of sorts with it's Philosophical Foundations.

Panty-waist-scaredy-cat-weakness..that's the words I hear in the back of my head right now.

(In Grandfather Washington's voice.)

:clap: :clap:

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Perhaps, maybe... you should read the bill. It's an interesting thing. It does not allow US citizens to be spy-ed upon. It allows for spying on foreign nationals who may or may not be in the borders of the USA.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Dbl post...

but I'll take this time to point something out.

The founding fathers wrote a wonderful document. It outlined what the Federal governments #1 job is... Protecting the citizens from threats foreign and domestic.

I want them to do their job and I dint really give a flying fuck if they have to pull the finger nails off every camel jockey in the mid east to do it.

Now the the Supreme Court has decided that "enemy combatants" have all the rights of a US citizen... We will be taking far fewer prisoners. Those peoples that we capture without a uniform on will be treated exatly how the Geneva convention says to treat them. They will be executed where and when they are caught.

Shooting them in the head as we catch them is far better than putting them in a prison and breaking thier wills so we know everything we can about our enemy. (Heavy sarcasm)

This type of thinking is that you people are exhibiting is exactly why 9/11 happened.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

*scratches head&shrugs shoulders*

I wanna' know if anyone else reads the little comments at the bottom of the news...

..I saw this and it explains how I feel pretty good...it's a quote from Ben Franklin..

MY Forefathers did not mean for this...spying randomly on our own. They thought they were giving birth to a great thing..am I thee only one who sees how it now cowers?..Seeing an enemy that is not there..Pumping up the threat to curtail the FREEDOMS of it's own...OUR Nation is out of sorts with it's Philosophical Foundations.

Panty-waist-scaredy-cat-weakness..that's the words I hear in the back of my head right now.

(In Grandfather Washington's voice.)

And if grand father Washington keeps whispering in your ear you will eventually understand what he is trying to tell you.

[bean]

yay! paranoid people are going to be even more paranoid now.

[Der Nister]

There is no inherent authority of the president to do whatever he wants. This is a democracy, not a monarchy.

Nancy Pelosi - speaker of the House

Well she's right about that but it's a crying shame that we have a megalomaniac* in the white house that thinks of himself as king George.

This country will be better off once that asshole is no longer in office (I mean GWB).

* a delusional mental disorder that is marked by feelings of personal omnipotence and grandeur

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Nor does the Constitution give Congress any authority to tell the President what he can and can not do when it comes to Foreign policy.

Neither does it give Congress, or any member there of, any authority to tell the President how to conduct a War once they (Congress) have declared it.

I really wish people would read the whole Constitution.

I really wish people would read the Geneva Convention.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Let me rephrase part of that...

Nor does the Constitution give the House of Representatives (to which Nancy is a member) any authority to tell the President what he can and can not do when it comes to Foreign policy.

Infact, the House has little power to tell the President how it can or can not do anything at all.

[SaGa]

*scratches head&shrugs shoulders*

I wanna' know if anyone else reads the little comments at the bottom of the news...

..I saw this and it explains how I feel pretty good...it's a quote from Ben Franklin..

MY Forefathers did not mean for this...spying randomly on our own. They thought they were giving birth to a great thing..am I thee only one who sees how it now cowers?..Seeing an enemy that is not there..Pumping up the threat to curtail the FREEDOMS of it's own...OUR Nation is out of sorts with it's Philosophical Foundations.

Panty-waist-scaredy-cat-weakness..that's the words I hear in the back of my head right now.

(In Grandfather Washington's voice.)

our forefathers didnt see population growth of a high caliber, consumerism, a society based on fossil fuels. or world trade at this magnitude.

if towns had more power to influence states, and so to country, then we could balance this monarch of white house dick heads, why the hell cant we also vote on the people the president chooses for his cabinent. , perhaps things could be better, but most our fed taxes is used on military, and projects that dont help the common man.

and this super delegates and electorial collage to sway the voting system in the excuse amaricans whouldnt choose the right guy is just wrong.

just remember to change anything you need to have everyone stop believing in the new system and say NO, but that wont happen so we have to live with a few more annoyences

[Rev.Reverence]

This type of thinking is that you people are exhibiting is exactly why 9/11 happened.

No my freind...panty-waists that would not defend their seat on a plane is why that happened...FEAR!

[Rev.Reverence]

our forefathers didnt see population growth of a high caliber, consumerism, a society based on fossil fuels. or world trade at this magnitude.

if towns had more power to influence states, and so to country, then we could balance this monarch of white house dick heads, why the hell cant we also vote on the people the president chooses for his cabinent. , perhaps things could be better, but most our fed taxes is used on military, and projects that dont help the common man.

and this super delegates and electorial collage to sway the voting system in the excuse amaricans whouldnt choose the right guy is just wrong.

just remember to change anything you need to have everyone stop believing in the new system and say NO, but that wont happen so we have to live with a few more annoyences

Yes...they saw a big change coming...they set down the Foundation...Further generations have built upon...you cannot crush it..and start something new as so many would like to do..you must treat it as a remodeling job..not a new construction site.

I was more stating it as a generally yellow bellied thing to do...spying and such.

More American to hit back when hit...just HARDER!

More American..I think...to stop buying oil from that part of the world ALTOGETHER!

WE CAN DO IT!...Before some one asks me how...I don't know...or I'ld be rich...FILTHY RICH..

[machine]

No my freind...panty-waists that would not defend their seat on a plane is why that happened...FEAR!

I think firing off a few Cruise Missiles onto a few tents in Astan back in 1999 is why 9/11 happened.

$600,000 missile vs. $10.00 tent = 9/11

Thanks Bubba.

[Der Nister]

Ordering the warrantless wiretapping of Americans contravenes the constitutional separation of powers by flouting the exclusive legal regime for intelligence-related wiretapping that was established by Congress in the Foreign Surveillance Intelligence Act (FISA), in order to protect the privacy of American citizens and respect the concern about government surveillance reflected in the Fourth Amendment.

Justice Robert Jackson penned an extremely influential concurring opinion in the Youngstown case, expanding upon the reasons undergirding the Court's result. In retrospect, his opinion is remarkably prescient. Indeed, it has emerged, over time, as the single most influential guidepost for assessing presidential claims of inherent authority.

Reduced to its essentials, Jackson's concurrence sets up a taxonomy of presidential power. That power is at its strongest, Jackson wrote, when the President acts pursuant to congressional authorization, and less certain in the face of congressional silence. But "[w]hen the President takes measures incompatible with the expressed or implied will of Congress, his power is at its lowest ebb, for then he can rely only upon his own constitutional powers minus any constitutional powers of Congress over the matter. Courts can sustain exclusive Presidential control in such a case only by disabling the Congress from acting upon the subject. Presidential claim to a power at once so conclusive and preclusive must be scrutinized with caution, for what is at stake is the equilibrium established by our constitutional system." (Emphases added.)

This is the high hurdle the President must cross. And in light of Truman's failure, it is exceedingly difficult to see why Bush should prevail. Without question, Bush's flouting of Congress and democratic principles is more severe than Truman's was.

To begin with, FISA's prohibition on unauthorized wiretapping is explicit, whereas Taft-Hartley only proscribed government seizures by implication. Even more important, while Truman gave Congress and the public immediate notice of his actions, Bush acted in secret, made only incomplete and classified disclosure to Congress, and foreswore public disclosure entirely, beginning in 2002 - until a leak revealed him.

Truman might have claimed that his quick, forthright disclosure provided at least some of the democratic accountability that may sometimes justify borderline executive action. But Bush can make no such claim.

[Der Nister]

How nice to find those that support a president that continually violates our constitutional rights.

[Der Nister]

Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force - like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.

If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.

Guard against the impostures of pretended patriotism.

The basis of our political system is the right of the people to make and to alter their constitutions of government.

Notice it says "right of the people" not, right of a single president.

Laws made by common consent must not be trampled on by individuals.

[know_buddy_kares]

I think firing off a few Cruise Missiles onto a few tents in Astan back in 1999 is why 9/11 happened.

$600,000 missile vs. $10.00 tent = 9/11

Thanks Bubba.

Wow.. I'm really impressed.. for all the shit talking you've done upon all the "trendy" bush haters the past few years.. it seems you've really turned a new leaf!!

Machine.. I know we've had our differences in the past... but to hear this come from you... I must you... you've come a long ways...

[machine]

Only bad asses get put on probation and reference it in a signature.