Wiretapping bill passed

[know_buddy_kares]

Do you phrase things to sound like you THINK your superior on purpose, or is it a medical condition?(honest question Gaf)

The question is a legitly honest one since I wonder the same. You speak down to anyone who's opinion is different than your own. You've also made statements that make it look like you are taking this to the extreme by stating rev sees you as an enemy... it's just a debate..

when you don't speak respectfully to someone with a different opinion, you are not going to get them to see it your way, they'll only get the impression that you're being pompous and stop listening to you all together. maybe you don't realize you do this, but you come across as insulting, and belittling anyone who thinks different.

Also, I see alot of hypocracy. Questioning me with fake profiles and claiming it was not a personal attack, then turning around and saying this one is? You can't call it legit when you're doing it and then cry personal attack when it's done to you.

Accept the idea that you're agreement to wiretapping is just your opinion, no more right or wrong than the opinions against wiretapping.

Also there's no use getting so emotional about different opinions either, you're opinion isn't going to effect the events being talked about in this forum... You're simply just an arm chair general just like the rest of us.

But aside from all this, my own opinion of the wiretapping isn't a good one. I don't think it should be done honestly, and the arguments against the wire tapping sound more legit and convinsing than any argument for it in my eyes.

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But aside from all this, my own opinion of the wiretapping isn't a good one. I don't think it should be done honestly, and the arguments against the wire tapping sound more legit and convinsing than any argument for it in my eyes.

So basically, what you are saying is that if there is an attack brewing, and the only way we can be sure of its intentions is to wire tap the non-US citizen, you would rather NOT know and just let the shit go down.

Good to know where you stand.

[phee]

So basically, what you are saying is that if there is an attack brewing, and the only way we can be sure of its intentions is to wire tap the non-US citizen, you would rather NOT know and just let the shit go down.

Good to know where you stand.

Kind of a hard to say considering that KBK was a marine and is now in the army....

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Easy for me to say considering I just gout out of the Army after 5 years.

[Rev.Reverence]

The question is a legitly honest one since I wonder the same. You speak down to anyone who's opinion is different than your own. You've also made statements that make it look like you are taking this to the extreme by stating rev sees you as an enemy... it's just a debate..

when you don't speak respectfully to someone with a different opinion, you are not going to get them to see it your way, they'll only get the impression that you're being pompous and stop listening to you all together. maybe you don't realize you do this, but you come across as insulting, and belittling anyone who thinks different.

Also, I see alot of hypocracy. Questioning me with fake profiles and claiming it was not a personal attack, then turning around and saying this one is? You can't call it legit when you're doing it and then cry personal attack when it's done to you.

Accept the idea that you're agreement to wiretapping is just your opinion, no more right or wrong than the opinions against wiretapping.

Also there's no use getting so emotional about different opinions either, you're opinion isn't going to effect the events being talked about in this forum... You're simply just an arm chair general just like the rest of us.

And you weren't even rude K_B_K!

[Destroit]

have you had your head planted firmly up your ass before, and therefore recognize that that might be my problem? is that what you're saying? the guy admitted to having had a head injury that can make him come across improperly, and wondered if maybe you had the same issue at some time... can you not see this as a genuine possiblity? it's not like he asked it out of the blue - he offered up his own experience with it & tried to relate - you took offense.

or am i the only one who actually got that part of his previous post? am i the only one? if so, i'll shut my fucking trap about this...

No I got it too...and you sir are correct. I personally didn't find Rev's post offensive, just asking an honest question. I think there was too much over-reaction for such a statement, imo.

[Rev.Reverence]

So basically, what you are saying is that if there is an attack brewing, and the only way we can be sure of its intentions is to wire tap the non-US citizen, you would rather NOT know and just let the shit go down.

American Intell. agency(s) have/had files on the exact method of attack...pre9-11...what did they do but sit on their thumbs..?

They could have put Marshals on the planes..could have not let security be so lax...

...So THEY start tapping to this extent NOW...

...THEN..think about when THEY say..later on down the road..it isn't doing enough.

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American Intell. agency(s) have/had files on the exact method of attack...pre9-11...what did they do but sit on their thumbs..?

They could have put Marshals on the planes..could have not let security be so lax...

...So THEY start tapping to this extent NOW...

...THEN..think about when THEY say..later on down the road..it isn't doing enough.

You're thinking with your tinhat on again, and not answering my question... it's really a yes or no answer. Tap or not.

And, the pre-9/11 intel were just intel estimations at the time. There was no proven, or at leased released/unclassified as of yet proof of actual knowledge of the attack. There was alot of "chatter" that was observed, but the only thing the FBI/CIA says to have known is that they knew known terrorists were in the country.... but to put that in retrospect and planning 'something'...but didn't know what, they know that even today, there are knowh terrorists on watch lists in the country, they just don't know where... so wiretaps JUST MIGHT help find them.

Sure we could have done more to actively seek out and find these terrorists and prevent this, but it's kinda hard when Clinton cut the funding for the military and other similar projects... by executive order.

[Rev.Reverence]

You're thinking with your tinhat on again, and not answering my question... it's really a yes or no answer. Tap or not.

And, the pre-9/11 intel were just intel estimations at the time. There was no proven, or at leased released/unclassified as of yet proof of actual knowledge of the attack. There was alot of "chatter" that was observed, but the only thing the FBI/CIA says to have known is that they knew known terrorists were in the country.... but to put that in retrospect and planning 'something'...but didn't know what, they know that even today, there are knowh terrorists on watch lists in the country, they just don't know where... so wiretaps JUST MIGHT help find them.

Sure we could have done more to actively seek out and find these terrorists and prevent this, but it's kinda hard when Clinton cut the funding for the military and other similar projects... by executive order.

I never take it off!

*clutches brim*

Seriously...NO..I am against the Taps.

ESPECIALLY now...because you can't have a secret being public.. *SHRUG*

It is just another step..in the wrong direction..in my opinion...which isn't very heavy 'cause I'm not a 'decider'...

[Angel of Death]

The question is a legitly honest one since I wonder the same. You speak down to anyone who's opinion is different than your own. You've also made statements that make it look like you are taking this to the extreme by stating rev sees you as an enemy... it's just a debate..

when you don't speak respectfully to someone with a different opinion, you are not going to get them to see it your way, they'll only get the impression that you're being pompous and stop listening to you all together. maybe you don't realize you do this, but you come across as insulting, and belittling anyone who thinks different.

Also, I see alot of hypocracy. Questioning me with fake profiles and claiming it was not a personal attack, then turning around and saying this one is? You can't call it legit when you're doing it and then cry personal attack when it's done to you.

Accept the idea that you're agreement to wiretapping is just your opinion, no more right or wrong than the opinions against wiretapping.

Also there's no use getting so emotional about different opinions either, you're opinion isn't going to effect the events being talked about in this forum... You're simply just an arm chair general just like the rest of us.

I didn't wanna say anything...but I've noticed this too Gaf ur fucking str8 out mean 2 ppl...sorry not trying to be offensive DON'T take this as an attack but he's got a fuckin point...

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Why don't we just start a new thread and call it "insult Gaf, but be polite about it."

KBK. I would take that as a legitimate question if in the past, I had not been told by the mods that, that kind of question amounts to a direct insult. In fact, I was told that in the confrontation you are speaking of by the mods who is now saying it is not a direct insult. I am not the one applying a double standard here.

Also, in regards to me being disrespectfully of other peoples opinions... are you the pot or the kettle?

I'm not the one who started tossing out insults because other people dared have an opinion different than mine. That was you.

So, you can take all your polite critics of my conversational style, roll them into a ball and stuff them in your ear.

but now that we know that it's not insulting to ask that kind of question...

Rev. R, honest question... Does your head injury qualify you as mentally handicapped or do you have to try to over come you inability to put a rational thought together alone?

[Destroit]

Why don't we just start a new thread and call it "insult Gaf, but be polite about it."

KBK. I would take that as a legitimate question if in the past, I had not been told by the mods that, that kind of question amounts to a direct insult. In fact, I was told that in the confrontation you are speaking of by the mods who is now saying it is not a direct insult. I am not the one applying a double standard here.

Also, in regards to me being disrespectfully of other peoples opinions... are you the pot or the kettle?

I'm not the one who started tossing out insults because other people dared have an opinion different than mine. That was you.

So, you can take all your polite critics of my conversational style, roll them into a ball and stuff them in your ear.

but now that we know that it's not insulting to ask that kind of question...

Rev. R, honest question... Does your head injury qualify you as mentally handicapped or do you have to try to over come you inability to put a rational thought together alone?

Yeahhh...but that question doesn't make sense due to the fact that Rev. is generally rational and doesn't come off as mentally handicapped. At least not to anyone I know of. So in a roundabout way that's slander slighly because it doesn't have any basis in truth...

I mean, he DOES have a head injury, that's about the only truth to that question...

[Rev.Reverence]

Rev. R, honest question... Does your head injury qualify you as mentally handicapped or do you have to try to over come you inability to put a rational thought together alone?

I am in fact listed as disabled...for schitso-affective disorder...that was aggravated by a grievous head wound I scored about 4 years ago...it is very difficult sometimes...and very easy other times.

I will in fact ask you a final time...are you a fucking gerk ass on purpose or does it just come out like that?

(note I am not calling you names merely inquiring into your quirky behavior)

& thanx for being so civilized as to not communicate with me<-----READ AS SARCASM

[Fin]

The issue at hand again seems to play back to executive power as granted by the U.S. Constitution.

I suppose that leads us to an interesting philosophical question:

Who here are "Constitution literalists" (eg. every word is to be taken at its face value & the government acts accordingly)?

or

Who here are "Constitution revisionalists" (eg. the text is to be interpreted, & that interpretation must be put into secondary law to define the government mandate)?

There are compelling arguments for both sides of this coin. As wire-tapping is the contemporary issue at hand, the argument comes back to Constitutional rights of the executive branch (& the courts & legislature, for that matter).

Thoughts?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I am in fact listed as disabled...for schitso-affective disorder...that was aggravated by a grievous head wound I scored about 4 years ago...it is very difficult sometimes...and very easy other times.

I will in fact ask you a final time...are you a fucking gerk ass on purpose or does it just come out like that?

(note I am not calling you names merely inquiring into your quirky behavior)

& thanx for being so civilized as to not communicate with me<-----READ AS SARCASM

Perhaps you missed most of this thread. I only stated that I support wire tapping and the insults from you and KBK started. Yours were not as overt as KBK's, but they were there.

Stick you fingers in your ears and say "NaNa! I cant hear you" That might work.

[Angel of Death]

Why don't we just start a new thread and call it "insult Gaf, but be polite about it."

KBK. I would take that as a legitimate question if in the past, I had not been told by the mods that, that kind of question amounts to a direct insult. In fact, I was told that in the confrontation you are speaking of by the mods who is now saying it is not a direct insult. I am not the one applying a double standard here.

Also, in regards to me being disrespectfully of other peoples opinions... are you the pot or the kettle?

I'm not the one who started tossing out insults because other people dared have an opinion different than mine. That was you.

So, you can take all your polite critics of my conversational style, roll them into a ball and stuff them in your ear.

but now that we know that it's not insulting to ask that kind of question...

Rev. R, honest question... Does your head injury qualify you as mentally handicapped or do you have to try to over come you inability to put a rational thought together alone?

ACTUALLY, I wasn't just talking about in thread. I meant that in just about every debatable subject I see you post in you are mean and talk down on basically everyone that has a diffrent opinion than you do. I am NOT trying to put you down in any way shape or form. Just stating MY opinion. You gonna attack me next?

[Angel of Death]

Stick you fingers in your ears and say "NaNa! I cant hear you" That might work.

Also I almost died of laughter at how childish that statement is....

[Rev.Reverence]

And if grand father Washington keeps whispering in your ear you will eventually understand what he is trying to tell you.

You mean when you started being an ass.

[Destroit]

EVERYONE...please.

From this post forward, if anyone has anything snide or personal to say toward another, please keep it OFF THE BOARD. If it is NOT ABOUT the government wiretapping our phone lines...PLEASE POST IT ELSEWHERE. I would hate to see a thread that could potentially be very informative and a good debate get locked just because we all can't be adults about this. This serves as a warning, debate NICE. Thank you.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Also I almost died of laughter at how childish that statement is....

It was meant to be. I was trying to illustrate a point.

[headlessgoth]

Dbl post...

but I'll take this time to point something out.

The founding fathers wrote a wonderful document. It outlined what the Federal governments #1 job is... Protecting the citizens from threats foreign and domestic.

I want them to do their job and I dint really give a flying fuck if they have to pull the finger nails off every camel jockey in the mid east to do it.

Now the the Supreme Court has decided that "enemy combatants" have all the rights of a US citizen... We will be taking far fewer prisoners. Those peoples that we capture without a uniform on will be treated exatly how the Geneva convention says to treat them. They will be executed where and when they are caught.

Shooting them in the head as we catch them is far better than putting them in a prison and breaking thier wills so we know everything we can about our enemy. (Heavy sarcasm)

This type of thinking is that you people are exhibiting is exactly why 9/11 happened.

9/11 happened cause everyone believed we were in a safe country #1 world power. people are always the most vulnereable when they feel safe and poeple forget that. nobody is safe there is no security that is absolute. we are no longer #1 world power. so i agree with the bill although the constition does give us the right to privacy. some say they would take safety over privacy when it comes to terrorist.but the problem is if you give one up for the other you might lose both

[Oh_My_Goth]

Again I say

[Hellion]

I start a thread about government bullshit and look it turns into an argument,let alone instead of people here arguing at each other,start worrying where your rights,freedom,and right to privacy are going,damn.

Technology sure is being used in the wrong way when the wrong people get a hold of it,(government that is).IMO.

[Rev.Reverence]

Technology sure is being used in the wrong way when the wrong people get a hold of it,(government that is).IMO.

...if you give them an inch..they will soon take a mile.....

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

9/11 happened because when Al-Quida declared war on us, instead of seeing them as a threat, Clinton saw it as a way to deflect attention from his personal life/problems.

70 Years of bad policy toward the middle east didn't help at all.