Gaza

[candyman]

Because it seems like some people just want the Arabs to die. They don't want them to get along with anyone.

Well, sometimes people don't explain enough which is sad. Most people I know want certain arabs to die, ie. those that have become lost. Some of these people will not learn unless they are beat into the ground. They have it set into their minds that their way is right and there is not much that will change that. If we could show them that we are against them and that their own people are no longer afraid of them then we would win. I don't think that its us that doesn't want to get along...its these few people.

This is just like people saying that skinheads should die. Why? Skinheads aren't bad at all. Its just that along with every other group of people a small amount of "skinheads" are idiots and decided to be racist. Then some other idiots decided to put the terms skinhead and racist together and make them one word. No, a racist skinhead is like a racist cop, a racist bartender, a racist emo, a racist rapper, a racist clown...its the word in front that counts yet for skinheads someone decided to shorten it up and assume.

So, no not everyone that talks about killing them is saying that all arab people need to die. They are just counting on people not assuming stupid crap...which is what people are doing. We have confused terms again and need to straighten things up. First, people should stop drawing quick conclusions and should pause to think for a while. Second, maybe people like me need to explain a little more when talking about this kind of stuff.

Assuming that anyone that wants to see the extremists die or go away means that they hate all muslims or arabs is just as bad as assuming that goths were the reason for the Columbine attack or that all Jews like gold and diamonds. Both parties need to communicate more clearly than they have been but I think that it is possible.

[Slogo]

Well, sometimes people don't explain enough which is sad. Most people I know want certain arabs to die, ie. those that have become lost. Some of these people will not learn unless they are beat into the ground. They have it set into their minds that their way is right and there is not much that will change that. If we could show them that we are against them and that their own people are no longer afraid of them then we would win. I don't think that its us that doesn't want to get along...its these few people.

This is just like people saying that skinheads should die. Why? Skinheads aren't bad at all. Its just that along with every other group of people a small amount of "skinheads" are idiots and decided to be racist. Then some other idiots decided to put the terms skinhead and racist together and make them one word. No, a racist skinhead is like a racist cop, a racist bartender, a racist emo, a racist rapper, a racist clown...its the word in front that counts yet for skinheads someone decided to shorten it up and assume.

So, no not everyone that talks about killing them is saying that all arab people need to die. They are just counting on people not assuming stupid crap...which is what people are doing. We have confused terms again and need to straighten things up. First, people should stop drawing quick conclusions and should pause to think for a while. Second, maybe people like me need to explain a little more when talking about this kind of stuff.

Assuming that anyone that wants to see the extremists die or go away means that they hate all muslims or arabs is just as bad as assuming that goths were the reason for the Columbine attack or that all Jews like gold and diamonds. Both parties need to communicate more clearly than they have been but I think that it is possible.

Thank you.

It's just every Muslim I met has been nice to me, but it's the stupid ones that make the loudest sounds. Just like Christianity (though their lunatics aren't quite as extreme). It's always Falwell or Robertson you'd hear about. Not the Christians I'm friends with.

Sorry just kinda venting.

[Scary Guy]

Thank you.

It's just every Muslim I met has been nice to me, but it's the stupid ones that make the loudest sounds. Just like Christianity (though their lunatics aren't quite as extreme). It's always Falwell or Robertson you'd hear about. Not the Christians I'm friends with.

Sorry just kinda venting.

Comes with fanatics of almost any religion though. Even the "bobbies" are annoying to regular Subgenii.

[candyman]

Thank you.

It's just every Muslim I met has been nice to me, but it's the stupid ones that make the loudest sounds. Just like Christianity (though their lunatics aren't quite as extreme). It's always Falwell or Robertson you'd hear about. Not the Christians I'm friends with.

Sorry just kinda venting.

Yeah, I have never met a "bad" christian either...I was one once too. If we ever want society to be perfect we need to stop pointing fingers...and that will never happen because that is not how we function. We will always have some sort of friction and the only way to deal with it is to...well...deal with it better. I am better now that I keep more things to myself, and oddly enough I hate all this politically correct shit. It's wrong to yell at people for acting in a human manner...we need to act nicely and help them to deal with their reactions in a better way instead of calling them wrong and casting them off. There are many things that I do not like...but now I just don't like them in my head instead of with words or actions.

That being said I will still beat someone to a pulp if they try to wear Crocs in my house or car...

[Slogo]

That being said I will still beat someone to a pulp if they try to wear Crocs in my house or car...

Agreed

[TheOsakaKoneko]

Wow. I just have to say how grateful I am for the words of the eternal, tasteewonderbunny, and maeve in this discussion. I clicked it expecting to find a VERY different discussion than I found, and I was feeling a bit sick. I can't express how happy I was to see it balance out a bit further on.

I just hope for as few lives lost needlessly as possible.

[SaGa]

there going to get old testament on some pali's ass j/k i HAD to make the joke.

i can see cristians looking for signs that the end of the world is near whenever war breaks out over there

[Goth Brooks]

Because it seems like some people just want the Arabs to die. They don't want them to get along with anyone.

Muslims =/= Arabs

There are arab christians and arab jews.

And no, I don't want to get along with the muslims until they clean up their own problems. Namely, the psychos that like to blow themselves up, shoot rockets at civilians, and send snipers to target children.

then there's the fact that they want the world (that includes where you live) dominated by sharia law. (this is a religious ideology, any 'muslim' that doesn't believe in this is just muslim by name as i am roman catholic).

the pakis of britain, somalis of minnesota and iraqis of michigan aren't refugees, or immigrants.. they're colonists, invaders.

[Scary Guy]

Muslims =/= Arabs

There are arab christians and arab jews.

And no, I don't want to get along with the muslims until they clean up their own problems. Namely, the psychos that like to blow themselves up, shoot rockets at civilians, and send snipers to target children.

then there's the fact that they want the world (that includes where you live) dominated by sharia law. (this is a religious ideology, any 'muslim' that doesn't believe in this is just muslim by name as i am roman catholic).

the pakis of britain, somalis of minnesota and iraqis of michigan aren't refugees, or immigrants.. they're colonists, invaders.

Yes, but muslims /= muslim extremists. Not everyone wants to blow us up in the name of Allah. Sure it says to "destroy the infidels" in their holy book but it says the same thing in the Christian's holy book as well to "destroy the blasphemeres" (probably not in that exact wording though).

Colonist invaders you say? Get off my land, pale face.

[Soulrev]

Thank you.

It's just every Muslim I met has been nice to me, but it's the stupid ones that make the loudest sounds. Just like Christianity (though their lunatics aren't quite as extreme). It's always Falwell or Robertson you'd hear about. Not the Christians I'm friends with.

Sorry just kinda venting.

Christian or Muslim, neither of these religions really teach to destroy one another. I will admit I don't know a whole lot about the muslim religion, but I know enough muslims to know that their "God" teaches them to live with the same values, respect, and goodwill towards men, as my "God" teaches me. It's simply a case of a few bad apples spoils a bunch. Sure, there are some quotes people can come dig out of the old testament and throw in my face but that's why we call it the old testament. I have had this conversation with Palestinians, Jews, etc. And we've always come to the conclusion that none of these religions want this crap, it's just man's way of bending things so they fit into their own personal ideals and agendas.

Personally, I like to keep to myself in these sorts of topics, because people can argue and fight with eachother over religion until they die, or in this case, until everybody dies, and nothing good ever comes out of it. Religion is one thing, but killing in the name of it is another.

[SaGa]

Christian or Muslim, neither of these religions really teach to destroy one another. I will admit I don't know a whole lot about the muslim religion, but I know enough muslims to know that their "God" teaches them to live with the same values, respect, and goodwill towards men, as my "God" teaches me. It's simply a case of a few bad apples spoils a bunch. Sure, there are some quotes people can come dig out of the old testament and throw in my face but that's why we call it the old testament. I have had this conversation with Palestinians, Jews, etc. And we've always come to the conclusion that none of these religions want this crap, it's just man's way of bending things so they fit into their own personal ideals and agendas.

Personally, I like to keep to myself in these sorts of topics, because people can argue and fight with eachother over religion until they die, or in this case, until everybody dies, and nothing good ever comes out of it. Religion is one thing, but killing in the name of it is another.

"The following signs are ascribed to ‘Alī in the forthcoming of Dajjal

People will stop offering prayers

Dishonesty will be the way of life

Falsehood will become a virtue

People will mortgage their faith for worldly gains

Usuary and bribery will become legitimate

Imbeciles would rule over the wise

Blood of innocents would be shed

Pride will be taken on acts of oppression

The rulers will be corrupt

The scholars will be hypocrites

Adultery will be rampant

Women will rub shoulders with men in doing business

Women will dress like men, and men will dress like women

The liars and treacherous will be respected

There will be acute famine at the time" - taken from wikipedia.

do some islamic groups truely think where the race corrupted that will lead to the dajjal(antichrist)

like i say to many people are looking at prochecy with these wars in recent times. or heck even obama or just about every president in recent times, being called the antichrist

[Slogo]

Colonist invaders you say? Get off my land, pale face.

[candyman]

Yes, but muslims /= muslim extremists. Not everyone wants to blow us up in the name of Allah. Sure it says to "destroy the infidels" in their holy book but it says the same thing in the Christian's holy book as well to "destroy the blasphemeres" (probably not in that exact wording though).

Colonist invaders you say? Get off my land, pale face.

In religious studies at college they have shown that not to be quite true. Sure, the Bible had killing in it in the "old testament" that was ordered by god...but after that the "new testament" puts it in a whole new light. There is much talk of winning over you enemies...getting close to them by making friends and preaching to them. If they refuse to convert then their souls are in the balance. There was the crusades but history shows that there was shit on both sides. For many years now the Christian church has been what we call true to their book because, well they aren't killing people.

Our study of Islam was intense and was aided by former and current believers. The former believers told us about the hate, the control, and how after years in the faith all they saw was death. The current believers talked about how they and many others like them are on the balance. The recent explosion of Islam on the scene has pushed them to look deep inside themselves and their religion. They aften talked of leaving...but that the one thing that prevents them from leaving both the religion and their country for good was the threats...death is included in those.

I don't like to leave any religion untouched as far as poking fun at them...but in this case I see something that right now is by far the lesser of two evils...that would the christianity in case you were wondering. Sure, they make alot of rules right now but one simply grows a pair of testicles and gets over it.

And as far as the native american thing goes...WTF? That was a different age and if you want to start pointing fingers at anyone that did that you should probably get alot of clones because that is going to be alot of fingers. You didn't live back then so you are forgiven but people need to stop saying shit like that. It's like illegal immigrants saying that we did it too. No, we did not. Back then it was very common for that to occur. Also, nobody that came here was actually American so STFU. And, mexico and other south american countries had their fair share of immigrants back then too. And, Mexico is on record to having hold of native american land. Finally, the system was put into place to control immigration and people followed it...except for mexicans. See, different times...different rules. If you break the rules of the time you are guilty...but if there were no rules governing your actions at the time you were just acting normal.

[Goth Brooks]

Yes, but muslims /= muslim extremists. Not everyone wants to blow us up in the name of Allah. Sure it says to "destroy the infidels" in their holy book but it says the same thing in the Christian's holy book as well to "destroy the blasphemeres" (probably not in that exact wording though).

no, it doesn't.... anywhere.

Colonist invaders you say? Get off my land, pale face.

So sorry, you lost that war. I refuse to lose this one.