Sarah Palin's Speech

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States...

I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America.

I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election... against confident opponents ... at a crucial hour for our country.

And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions ... and met far graver challenges ... and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.

It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.

With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.

But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.

They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination, resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better.

And maybe that's because they realize there is a time for politics and a time for leadership ... a time to campaign and a time to put our country first.

Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by.

He's a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief. I'm just one of many moms who'll say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm's way.

Our son Track is 19.

And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country.

My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.

My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children.

In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between - my strong and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper.

And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.

That's how it is with us.

Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys.

Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.

And children with special needs inspire a special love.

To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.

I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.

He's a lifelong commercial fisherman ... a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope ... a proud member of the United Steel Workers' Union ... and world champion snow machine racer.

Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package.

We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he's still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town.

And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.

My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from Missouri followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency.

A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they're always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better.

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.

Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.

As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man. I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment.< br> And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.

Politics isn't just a game of clashing parties and competing interests.

The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.

No one expects us to agree on everything.

But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and ... a servant's heart.

I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as vice president of the United States. This was the spirit that brought me to the governor's office, when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good-ol' boys network.

Sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests and power brokers. That's why true reform is so hard to achieve.

But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up.

And in short order we put the government of our state back on the side of the people.

I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.

Senator McCain also promises to use the power of veto in defense of the public interest - and as a chief executive, I can assure you it works.

Our state budget is under control.

We have a surplus.

And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.

I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves. When oil and gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly to the people of Alaska.

And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.

As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.

And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.

The stakes for our nation could not be higher.

When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.

With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of world energy supplies ... or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia ... or that Venezuela might shut off its oil deliveries ... we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already.

But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more nuclear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.

Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government is too big ... he wants to grow it.

Congress spends too much ... he promises more.

Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.

The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.

How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.

How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.

Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speechmaking, in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things.

And then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who actually do great things. They're the ones who are good for more than talk ... the ones we have always been able to count on to serve and defend America. Senator McCain's record of actual achievement and reform helps explain why so many special interests, lobbyists, and comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of a McCain presidency - from the primary election of 2000 to this very day.

Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd.

He's a man who's there to serve his country, and not just his party.

A leader who's not looking for a fight, but is not afraid of one either. Harry Reid, the Majority Leader of the current do-nothing Senate, not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee.

He said, quote, "I can't stand John McCain." Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we've chosen the right man. Clearly what the Majority Leader was driving at is that he can't stand up to John McCain. That is only one more reason to take the maverick of the Senate and put him in the White House. My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of "personal discovery." This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn't just need an organizer.

And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.

There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death ... and that man is John McCain. In our day, politicians have readily shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world in which this man, and others equally brave, served and suffered for their country.

It's a long way from the fear and pain and squalor of a six-by-four cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.

But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he will have made.

It's the journey of an upright and honorable man - the kind of fellow whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this country, only he was among those who came home.

To the most powerful office on earth, he would bring the compassion that comes from having once been powerless ... the wisdom that comes even to the captives, by the grace of God ... the special confidence of those who have seen evil, and seen how evil is overcome. A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio, recalls looking through a pin-hole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander John McCain was led down the hallway, by the guards, day after day.

As the story is told, "When McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn toward Moe's door and flash a grin and thumbs up" - as if to say, "We're going to pull through this." My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us through these next four years.

For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words.

For a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.

If character is the measure in this election ... and hope the theme ... and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States.

Thank you all, and may God bless America.

[Guest GodfallenPromos]

Mr. Chairman, delegates, and fellow citizens: I am honored to be considered for the nomination for Vice President of the United States...

I accept the call to help our nominee for president to serve and defend America.

I accept the challenge of a tough fight in this election... against confident opponents ... at a crucial hour for our country.

And I accept the privilege of serving with a man who has come through much harder missions ... and met far graver challenges ... and knows how tough fights are won - the next president of the United States, John S. McCain.

It was just a year ago when all the experts in Washington counted out our nominee because he refused to hedge his commitment to the security of the country he loves.

With their usual certitude, they told us that all was lost - there was no hope for this candidate who said that he would rather lose an election than see his country lose a war.

But the pollsters and pundits overlooked just one thing when they wrote him off.

They overlooked the caliber of the man himself - the determination, resolve, and sheer guts of Senator John McCain. The voters knew better.

And maybe that's because they realize there is a time for politics and a time for leadership ... a time to campaign and a time to put our country first.

Our nominee for president is a true profile in courage, and people like that are hard to come by.

He's a man who wore the uniform of this country for 22 years, and refused to break faith with those troops in Iraq who have now brought victory within sight.

And as the mother of one of those troops, that is exactly the kind of man I want as commander in chief. I'm just one of many moms who'll say an extra prayer each night for our sons and daughters going into harm's way.

Our son Track is 19.

And one week from tomorrow - September 11th - he'll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country.

My nephew Kasey also enlisted, and serves on a carrier in the Persian Gulf.

My family is proud of both of them and of all the fine men and women serving the country in uniform. Track is the eldest of our five children.

In our family, it's two boys and three girls in between - my strong and kind-hearted daughters Bristol, Willow, and Piper.

And in April, my husband Todd and I welcomed our littlest one into the world, a perfectly beautiful baby boy named Trig. From the inside, no family ever seems typical.

That's how it is with us.

Our family has the same ups and downs as any other ... the same challenges and the same joys.

Sometimes even the greatest joys bring challenge.

And children with special needs inspire a special love.

To the families of special-needs children all across this country, I have a message: For years, you sought to make America a more welcoming place for your sons and daughters.

I pledge to you that if we are elected, you will have a friend and advocate in the White House. Todd is a story all by himself.

He's a lifelong commercial fisherman ... a production operator in the oil fields of Alaska's North Slope ... a proud member of the United Steel Workers' Union ... and world champion snow machine racer.

Throw in his Yup'ik Eskimo ancestry, and it all makes for quite a package.

We met in high school, and two decades and five children later he's still my guy. My Mom and Dad both worked at the elementary school in our small town.

And among the many things I owe them is one simple lesson: that this is America, and every woman can walk through every door of opportunity.

My parents are here tonight, and I am so proud to be the daughter of Chuck and Sally Heath. Long ago, a young farmer and habber-dasher from Missouri followed an unlikely path to the vice presidency.

A writer observed: "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty, sincerity, and dignity." I know just the kind of people that writer had in mind when he praised Harry Truman.

I grew up with those people.

They are the ones who do some of the hardest work in America ... who grow our food, run our factories, and fight our wars.

They love their country, in good times and bad, and they're always proud of America. I had the privilege of living most of my life in a small town.

I was just your average hockey mom, and signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education better.

When I ran for city council, I didn't need focus groups and voter profiles because I knew those voters, and knew their families, too.

Before I became governor of the great state of Alaska, I was mayor of my hometown.

And since our opponents in this presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves.

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities. I might add that in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they are listening, and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening.

We tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco.

As for my running mate, you can be certain that wherever he goes, and whoever is listening, John McCain is the same man. I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment.< br> And I've learned quickly, these past few days, that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone.

But here's a little news flash for all those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion - I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this country. Americans expect us to go to Washington for the right reasons, and not just to mingle with the right people.

Politics isn't just a game of clashing parties and competing interests.

The right reason is to challenge the status quo, to serve the common good, and to leave this nation better than we found it.

No one expects us to agree on everything.

But we are expected to govern with integrity, good will, clear convictions, and ... a servant's heart.

I pledge to all Americans that I will carry myself in this spirit as vice president of the United States. This was the spirit that brought me to the governor's office, when I took on the old politics as usual in Juneau ... when I stood up to the special interests, the lobbyists, big oil companies, and the good-ol' boys network.

Sudden and relentless reform never sits well with entrenched interests and power brokers. That's why true reform is so hard to achieve.

But with the support of the citizens of Alaska, we shook things up.

And in short order we put the government of our state back on the side of the people.

I came to office promising major ethics reform, to end the culture of self-dealing. And today, that ethics reform is the law.

While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor's office that I didn't believe our citizens should have to pay for.

That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay.

I also drive myself to work.

And I thought we could muddle through without the governor's personal chef - although I've got to admit that sometimes my kids sure miss her. I came to office promising to control spending - by request if possible and by veto if necessary.

Senator McCain also promises to use the power of veto in defense of the public interest - and as a chief executive, I can assure you it works.

Our state budget is under control.

We have a surplus.

And I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending: nearly half a billion dollars in vetoes.

I suspended the state fuel tax, and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress.

I told the Congress "thanks, but no thanks," for that Bridge to Nowhere.

If our state wanted a bridge, we'd build it ourselves. When oil and gas prices went up dramatically, and filled up the state treasury, I sent a large share of that revenue back where it belonged - directly to the people of Alaska.

And despite fierce opposition from oil company lobbyists, who kind of liked things the way they were, we broke their monopoly on power and resources.

As governor, I insisted on competition and basic fairness to end their control of our state and return it to the people.

I fought to bring about the largest private-sector infrastructure project in North American history.

And when that deal was struck, we began a nearly forty billion dollar natural gas pipeline to help lead America to energy independence.

That pipeline, when the last section is laid and its valves are opened, will lead America one step farther away from dependence on dangerous foreign powers that do not have our interests at heart.

The stakes for our nation could not be higher.

When a hurricane strikes in the Gulf of Mexico, this country should not be so dependent on imported oil that we are forced to draw from our Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

And families cannot throw away more and more of their paychecks on gas and heating oil.

With Russia wanting to control a vital pipeline in the Caucasus, and to divide and intimidate our European allies by using energy as a weapon, we cannot leave ourselves at the mercy of foreign suppliers.

To confront the threat that Iran might seek to cut off nearly a fifth of world energy supplies ... or that terrorists might strike again at the Abqaiq facility in Saudi Arabia ... or that Venezuela might shut off its oil deliveries ... we Americans need to produce more of our own oil and gas.

And take it from a gal who knows the North Slope of Alaska: we've got lots of both.

Our opponents say, again and again, that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems - as if we all didn't know that already.

But the fact that drilling won't solve every problem is no excuse to do nothing at all.

Starting in January, in a McCain-Palin administration, we're going to lay more pipelines ... build more nuclear plants ... create jobs with clean coal ... and move forward on solar, wind, geothermal, and other alternative sources.

We need American energy resources, brought to you by American ingenuity, and produced by American workers. I've noticed a pattern with our opponent.

Maybe you have, too.

We've all heard his dramatic speeches before devoted followers.

And there is much to like and admire about our opponent.

But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform - not even in the state senate.

This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting, and never use the word "victory" except when he's talking about his own campaign. But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed ... when the roar of the crowd fades away ... when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot - what exactly is our opponent's plan? What does he actually seek to accomplish, after he's done turning back the waters and healing the planet? The answer is to make government bigger ... take more of your money ... give you more orders from Washington ... and to reduce the strength of America in a dangerous world. America needs more energy ... our opponent is against producing it.

Victory in Iraq is finally in sight ... he wants to forfeit.

Terrorist states are seeking nuclear weapons without delay ... he wants to meet them without preconditions.

Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America ... he's worried that someone won't read them their rights? Government is too big ... he wants to grow it.

Congress spends too much ... he promises more.

Taxes are too high ... he wants to raise them. His tax increases are the fine print in his economic plan, and let me be specific.

The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes ... raise payroll taxes ... raise investment income taxes ... raise the death tax ... raise business taxes ... and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars. My sister Heather and her husband have just built a service station that's now opened for business - like millions of others who run small businesses.

How are they going to be any better off if taxes go up? Or maybe you're trying to keep your job at a plant in Michigan or Ohio ... or create jobs with clean coal from Pennsylvania or West Virginia ... or keep a small farm in the family right here in Minnesota.

How are you going to be better off if our opponent adds a massive tax burden to the American economy? Here's how I look at the choice Americans face in this election.

In politics, there are some candidates who use change to promote their careers.

And then there are those, like John McCain, who use their careers to promote change.

They're the ones whose names appear on laws and landmark reforms, not just on buttons and banners, or on self-designed presidential seals.

Among politicians, there is the idealism of high-flown speechmaking, in which crowds are stirringly summoned to support great things.

And then there is the idealism of those leaders, like John McCain, who actually do great things. They're the ones who are good for more than talk ... the ones we have always been able to count on to serve and defend America. Senator McCain's record of actual achievement and reform helps explain why so many special interests, lobbyists, and comfortable committee chairmen in Congress have fought the prospect of a McCain presidency - from the primary election of 2000 to this very day.

Our nominee doesn't run with the Washington herd.

He's a man who's there to serve his country, and not just his party.

A leader who's not looking for a fight, but is not afraid of one either. Harry Reid, the Majority Leader of the current do-nothing Senate, not long ago summed up his feelings about our nominee.

He said, quote, "I can't stand John McCain." Ladies and gentlemen, perhaps no accolade we hear this week is better proof that we've chosen the right man. Clearly what the Majority Leader was driving at is that he can't stand up to John McCain. That is only one more reason to take the maverick of the Senate and put him in the White House. My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of "personal discovery." This world of threats and dangers is not just a community, and it doesn't just need an organizer.

And though both Senator Obama and Senator Biden have been going on lately about how they are always, quote, "fighting for you," let us face the matter squarely.

There is only one man in this election who has ever really fought for you ... in places where winning means survival and defeat means death ... and that man is John McCain. In our day, politicians have readily shared much lesser tales of adversity than the nightmare world in which this man, and others equally brave, served and suffered for their country.

It's a long way from the fear and pain and squalor of a six-by-four cell in Hanoi to the Oval Office.

But if Senator McCain is elected president, that is the journey he will have made.

It's the journey of an upright and honorable man - the kind of fellow whose name you will find on war memorials in small towns across this country, only he was among those who came home.

To the most powerful office on earth, he would bring the compassion that comes from having once been powerless ... the wisdom that comes even to the captives, by the grace of God ... the special confidence of those who have seen evil, and seen how evil is overcome. A fellow prisoner of war, a man named Tom Moe of Lancaster, Ohio, recalls looking through a pin-hole in his cell door as Lieutenant Commander John McCain was led down the hallway, by the guards, day after day.

As the story is told, "When McCain shuffled back from torturous interrogations, he would turn toward Moe's door and flash a grin and thumbs up" - as if to say, "We're going to pull through this." My fellow Americans, that is the kind of man America needs to see us through these next four years.

For a season, a gifted speaker can inspire with his words.

For a lifetime, John McCain has inspired with his deeds.

If character is the measure in this election ... and hope the theme ... and change the goal we share, then I ask you to join our cause. Join our cause and help America elect a great man as the next president of the United States.

Thank you all, and may God bless America.

hmmm....lotta "look at my family, lemme talk about this war I know little about, do some obama bashing, and then I'll suck McCain's cock at the end/"....same political rhetoric that I've heard from everyone else in all these elections.....NO MORE MCSAME!!!!

[sass_in_the_pants]

then I'll suck McCain's cock at the end/"....same political rhetoric that I've heard from everyone else

You've heard THAT from everyone else?!?!?!

Man, I gotta start watching speeches on cable...

I liked her speech. She surprised the hell out of me that's for sure. I was SO sure I wouldn't like her. Huh. Who knew, eh?

[Troy Spiral (13)]

Watched most of it. Was very well delivered. Definitely the sort of thing that will fire up the more hardcore base of the party that so far have been lukewarm about McCain himself. Unfortunately I think, some might be tempted to vote for this ticket solely based on gender, which I think is a mistake. (Even though in the end I would have preferred Hillary over Obama, but it had nothing to do with gender)

[EAF (1)]

Very good point Troy which is why I think it may have been a ploy to get the gender vote. The speech was very confident and her body language came across well, but to me she came across almost too strong, almost cocky about everything. I saw confidence, but no humility which sort of bothered me.

[TitsMcGee]

hmmm....lotta "look at my family, lemme talk about this war I know little about, do some obama bashing, and then I'll suck McCain's cock at the end/"....same political rhetoric that I've heard from everyone else in all these elections.....NO MORE MCSAME!!!!

Yes because with a son going to Iraq in less than a week makes her know nothing. You should be ashamed of yourself, you have a brother in the military so you should know better than to say something that dumb. I don't know about your mother, but mine found out everything she could when my brother was in Iraq, and I'm sure any mother who cares does the same thing. But I'm sure someone is going to make the joke that because she's a rebublican she doesn't care about her children. I am so sick of this mud slinging election garbage, both sides are guilty of it, and I think it's time everyone just grows up.

As for Palin's speech, I thought she did extremely well. She's quite refreshing when it comes to old Washington. She doesn't take shit from anyone, especially the media. Personally I think she's an awesome pick for VP.

[bean]

Yes because with a son going to Iraq in less than a week makes her know nothing. You should be ashamed of yourself, you have a brother in the military so you should know better than to say something that dumb. I don't know about your mother, but mine found out everything she could when my brother was in Iraq, and I'm sure any mother who cares does the same thing. But I'm sure someone is going to make the joke that because she's a Republican she doesn't care about her children. I am so sick of this mud slinging election garbage, both sides are guilty of it, and I think it's time everyone just grows up.

As for Palin's speech, I thought she did extremely well. She's quite refreshing when it comes to old Washington. She doesn't take shit from anyone, especially the media. Personally I think she's an awesome pick for VP.

Are you fucking kidding me?

That was one of the biggest mudslinging speeches I've ever seen in my life.

I'm not complaining. I was quite impressed.

As opposed to Obama, who knew he didn't NEED to connect the dots and say "I'll be the first Black president"

(which I honestly couldn't give two shits about, Palin's first outing (about a week earlier) she spoke glowingly about Democratic women who she reviled, and even said (I'm paraphrasing) " those 12 million little cracks that Hillary did was great but now with me we'll shatter the glass ceiling and go to the White House!"

Give me a fucking break!

What a shameless ploy for the Hilary democrats!

And she knew it!

I was sure she was going to play that Gidget act (anyone seen that old Sally Field show?)

right til election day, standing by McCain's side sweetly and crying fould when anyone attacked her

So, it was so refreshing to see her bare her teeth and dig both hands deep into the "mud slinging election garbage"

as Tits put it.

She made shameless untruthful attacks on Obama and the Democratic party, and in the most disgusting line I've seen

from a speech so far, actually denigrated the noble work of community organizers.

How low could she go??

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

Martin Luther King was a fucking community organizer, you asshole!

As for the non-responsibility Barack Obama had when he got out of college?

Fighting for residents who were dying because of the asbestos leaking out of their walls.

WOW! Talk about heartless!

Not that I'm surprised.

What do we know about Sarah Palin?

Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"

Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.

Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.

Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.

As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library.

Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker.

She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it).

Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere.

But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

She supported the now-disgraced, scandal-ridden Republican senator Ted Stevens, so much so that he did a campaign commercial for her as a thank you gesture during her 2006 gubernatorial bid

AND---

She supported Pat Buchanan in 2000, the same Buchanan who has made sympathetic comments in the past to Hitler.

And what about GFP? Should you

"be ashamed of yourself, you have a brother in the military so you should know better than to say something that dumb."

Umm, yeah, it's Tits who was being a little, umm uneducated there.

Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." Seriously WTF?

She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying,

"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

I'm sure as you said, Tits, she'll be smarter now.

Too bad her daughter wasn't when she got knocked up by her boyfriend while in high school.

Maybe comprehensive sex education Mommy was so against, would've helped her out.

Now, I've NEVER heard someone say "___ is a Republican she doesn't care about her children"

The GOP is the party of family values. They ALWAYS care about their own children.

It's anyone else's (particularly if that person's kids are poor, minority, LGBT, etc)

that they seem to be a little less concerned about.

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BACK TO THE SPEECH

Personally she came off as one the cool-group girls that I hated in high school,

They were always were holier than thou and would give some snotty, sarcastic putdown to anyone in their way,

and then put a fake smile on their face as they were crowned Homecoming queen.

OOh--go see Mean Girls---she reminds me of them!

BUTTTTTT, and this is a big but,

it was a win-win.

For the Republicans (mostly) and even the Democrats too!

She mobilized the base, giving a stirring, sarcastic, mudslinging, 10-putdown-a-minute speech.

She let all the evangelicals know she was one of them.

She let all the conservatives who were worried about the once-maverick, now 90% of the time Bush-supporting born-again conservative McCain,

that "Hey maybe McCain isn't the real deal, but I am."

Fuck, this ticket has become Palin-McCain since her speech.

AND she finally gave the Republican men something to wack off too.

Which is important, since Republican men and Palin both share the same disdain for ANYTHING even closely

remote to supporting women's rights...

Which is a perfect segueway to why it was a win(albeit smaller) for the Democrats--

She let them take their gloves off and at the same time let ALL the Democratic Hilary supporters know that she was nothing like them,

She doesn't think like them.

She doesn't vote like them.

And she surely doesn't have any of the same beliefs as them.

That night, in her best bitterly sarcastic--yet ultimately fuckable (wink wink guys) way

that she is the most conservative thing to come along since Hitler-loving Pat Buchanan.

Bravo Palin

I give you a one-arm salute

[Fin]

Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." Seriously WTF?

She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying,

"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

I'm sure as you said, Tits, she'll be smarter now.

The Iraq war as "God's task" speech has been most troubling to me regarding Gov. Palin (reference other thread).

Separation of Church & State is of paramount importance to the foundations of the U.S. government. Either the quote is a very poor choice of words or a glimpse into the way she views that separation. I hope it's the former for all our sakes.

[n0Mad]

Martin Luther actually wrote about separation of church and state with his theory of the Two Kingdoms. I wish more Christians would study Luther's writings then maybe they'd stop fucking it up with stupid comments like Palin's. If Christians followed Luther's idea of the Two Kingdoms, then we'd have separation of church and state like Fin envisions. Even Christ said, "Give unto Caesar what is Caesar's and give unto God what is God's." If you study the context around this quote, Christ is even ordering us to separate church and state which is the impetus behind Luther's "Two Kingdoms".

[TitsMcGee]

Are you fucking kidding me?

That was one of the biggest mudslinging speeches I've ever seen in my life.

I'm not complaining. I was quite impressed.

As opposed to Obama, who knew he didn't NEED to connect the dots and say "I'll be the first Black president"

(which I honestly couldn't give two shits about, Palin's first outing (about a week earlier) she spoke glowingly about Democratic women who she reviled, and even said (I'm paraphrasing) " those 12 million little cracks that Hillary did was great but now with me we'll shatter the glass ceiling and go to the White House!"

Give me a fucking break!

What a shameless ploy for the Hilary democrats!

And she knew it!

I was sure she was going to play that Gidget act (anyone seen that old Sally Field show?)

right til election day, standing by McCain's side sweetly and crying fould when anyone attacked her

So, it was so refreshing to see her bare her teeth and dig both hands deep into the "mud slinging election garbage"

as Tits put it.

She made shameless untruthful attacks on Obama and the Democratic party, and in the most disgusting line I've seen

from a speech so far, actually denigrated the noble work of community organizers.

How low could she go??

I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a "community organizer," except that you have actual responsibilities.

Martin Luther King was a fucking community organizer, you asshole!

As for the non-responsibility Barack Obama had when he got out of college?

Fighting for residents who were dying because of the asbestos leaking out of their walls.

WOW! Talk about heartless!

Not that I'm surprised.

What do we know about Sarah Palin?

Palin has actively sought the support of the fringe Alaska Independence Party. Six months ago, Palin told members of the group—who advocate for a vote on secession from the union—to "keep up the good work" and "wished the party luck on what she called its 'inspiring convention.'"

Palin wants to teach creationism in public schools. She hasn't made clear whether she thinks evolution is a fact.

Palin has close ties to Big Oil. Her inauguration was even sponsored by BP.

Palin is extremely anti-choice. She doesn't even support abortion in the case of rape or incest.

Palin opposes comprehensive sex-ed in public schools. She's said she will only support abstinence-only approaches.

As mayor, Palin tried to ban books from the library.

Palin asked the library how she might go about banning books because some had inappropriate language in them—shocking the librarian, Mary Ellen Baker.

She DID support the Bridge to Nowhere (before she opposed it).

Palin claimed that she said "thanks, but no thanks" to the infamous Bridge to Nowhere.

But in 2006, Palin supported the project repeatedly, saying that Alaska should take advantage of earmarks "while our congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist."

She supported the now-disgraced, scandal-ridden Republican senator Ted Stevens, so much so that he did a campaign commercial for her as a thank you gesture during her 2006 gubernatorial bid

AND---

She supported Pat Buchanan in 2000, the same Buchanan who has made sympathetic comments in the past to Hitler.

And what about GFP? Should you

"be ashamed of yourself, you have a brother in the military so you should know better than to say something that dumb."

Umm, yeah, it's Tits who was being a little, umm uneducated there.

Palin recently said that the war in Iraq is "God's task." Seriously WTF?

She's even admitted she hasn't thought about the war much—just last year she was quoted saying,

"I've been so focused on state government, I haven't really focused much on the war in Iraq."

I'm sure as you said, Tits, she'll be smarter now.

Too bad her daughter wasn't when she got knocked up by her boyfriend while in high school.

Maybe comprehensive sex education Mommy was so against, would've helped her out.

Now, I've NEVER heard someone say "___ is a Republican she doesn't care about her children"

The GOP is the party of family values. They ALWAYS care about their own children.

It's anyone else's (particularly if that person's kids are poor, minority, LGBT, etc)

that they seem to be a little less concerned about.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

BACK TO THE SPEECH

Personally she came off as one the cool-group girls that I hated in high school,

They were always were holier than thou and would give some snotty, sarcastic putdown to anyone in their way,

and then put a fake smile on their face as they were crowned Homecoming queen.

OOh--go see Mean Girls---she reminds me of them!

BUTTTTTT, and this is a big but,

it was a win-win.

For the Republicans (mostly) and even the Democrats too!

She mobilized the base, giving a stirring, sarcastic, mudslinging, 10-putdown-a-minute speech.

She let all the evangelicals know she was one of them.

She let all the conservatives who were worried about the once-maverick, now 90% of the time Bush-supporting born-again conservative McCain,

that "Hey maybe McCain isn't the real deal, but I am."

Fuck, this ticket has become Palin-McCain since her speech.

AND she finally gave the Republican men something to wack off too.

Which is important, since Republican men and Palin both share the same disdain for ANYTHING even closely

remote to supporting women's rights...

Which is a perfect segueway to why it was a win(albeit smaller) for the Democrats--

She let them take their gloves off and at the same time let ALL the Democratic Hilary supporters know that she was nothing like them,

She doesn't think like them.

She doesn't vote like them.

And she surely doesn't have any of the same beliefs as them.

That night, in her best bitterly sarcastic--yet ultimately fuckable (wink wink guys) way

that she is the most conservative thing to come along since Hitler-loving Pat Buchanan.

Bravo Palin

I give you a one-arm salute

Wow take a damn chill pill. First of all never said Palin didn't do any mud slinging, I just stated that I'm fucking sick of it. As for her daughter getting pregeant, who fucking cares, I mean seriously at least she's taking responsibility for her actions instead of being a shitty mom. Shit her and the father are getting married, so in my eyes even though she made a mistake and didn't use protection, she's showing her maturity and owning up to what happend. And just let me say even though politically Palin hasn't kept tabs on the war doesn't mean she hasn't personally.

As for the Hitler picture, I'm rather offended since my grandmother lost her father and all her uncles in WWII because Hitler said fight or we'll kill your children. Comparing anyone to Nazi Germany is ignorant and in my eyes makes you seem like a pretty shitty person overall.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I was sure she was going to play that Gidget act (anyone seen that old Sally Field show?)

I liked Sandra Dee so much more as Gidget.

[SaGa]

some mud slinging for those who are still looking for the better evil of politicians. i myself on the war issue of obama and mccain. im for mccain.

on the war. pulling out of iraq now whould be stupid, and irresponsible. we went in, caused the country to turn up side down, and leave with only a half assed clean up job. yes they are better off without saddam. but the transfer to become self sufficiant is far away. if us leaves a bloody civil war whould happen in full force. the Sunni-Shiite tension whould get a lot worse with most of the us troops gone. as no one to supress a rebellion and fracturing the goverment. and of course whos to say the other arab worlds wont seize control of key parts in Iraq. basicly we put our selfs into it. it whould just make amarica look even worse to pull out now with a country that has 4 million refugees.

on energy. we shouldnt stop companies from drilling our oil. thats holding us back more then anything. and giving more of our greenback to arab, russians, and canadians. green energy is becoming a marketing tool for any company. so i dont care what politicians do on this for car companies as its going to mean big bucks for any company whos making better products. more people will be willing to buy that new car when it gets double the gas milage. most just want to see how well the hybrid lasts after a few years of real world driving. and just using cleaner more efficiant coal burning plants. well take down the restrictions and it will happen as fast as they can build it. it makes me wonder why anyone whould be against a MORE efficiant way of using our coal. but being energy efficiant is going to get bigger no matter whos elected. its popular. its marketable. its a free markets dream and will be a big thing that will boost amaricas economy up.

so the economy, thebig one of our HUGE worries. obama, or mc cain, i trust anyone who knows what budgeting is. the housing crisis. thats our lenders fault for giving loans to people who didnt make enough. but hey in a few years those houses will be going back up in value. its a HUGE investment now. homes are cheap as hell. will they be this cheap 5 years from now. maby but i doupt it. and anybody whos wanting to own a home, nows your time.

all in all its going to take a lot of work to bring us out of the job recession. but thanks to energy pricess incress. yen getting stronger and a weakening dollar. . its becoming cheaper to make stuff in the us then to let china do half the work, then to send ALL of that back to the us. the job outsoursing has a breaking point. we will be exporting and setting the standards of trade again, and not letting china shit on there workers and set the standard for the world. its not going to happen for a while but it will happen.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Nice post.

I'd like to add. Many of those jobs that went to China are starting to come back. It is no longer cheaper to make things in China and then ship them back to the US. Fuel prices are doing that. A report came out a few weeks ago and it was in the news... have to see if I can find it... Company's are really starting to rethink their current business models.

[the eternal]

Since Gaf and Saga are having a nice polit commentary discussion I'll only veer us off topic for a moment

As for the Hitler picture, I'm rather offended since my grandmother lost her father and all her uncles in WWII because Hitler said fight or we'll kill your children. Comparing anyone to Nazi Germany is ignorant and in my eyes makes you seem like a pretty shitty person overall.

I agree with you 100% on that issue.

As a Jew, you're not the only one who's lost people in the War, except mine had their teeth pulled out, their hair cut off, and then were thrown in a room to be gassed with their siblings.

I don't take lightly to those comparisons either.

And I wasn't joking.

I truly question her beliefs and alliances.

My problem, if you read my post closely, is that she proudly wore a button in 2000 supporting her candidate for

president, Pat Buchanan.

Do me a favor, don't ever talk about Pat Buchanan to a Jew, especially an old one.

They almost got out of their nursing homes and burned down Florida after they accidentally voted for him

with the infamous butterfly ballot. (Reason number 17 why Gore really won in 2000)

It's not that Buchanan has made comments about race, gays, and immigration that sound almost fascist

that gives him his

Hitler sympathizer badge, though I'd give you points for noticing.

It's things like these:

Buchanan supported President Reagan's plan to visit a German military cemetery at Bitburg in 1985, where among buried wermacht soldiers, were forty eight buried Waffen SS members. Over the vocal objections of Jewish groups, the trip went through. In an interview, author Elie Wiesel described attending a White House meeting of Jewish leaders about the trip,

"The only one really defending the trip," he said, "was Pat Buchanan, saying,

'We cannot give the perception of the president being subjected to Jewish pressure."[13]

Buchanan later denied it of course

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said despite Hitler was "an individual of great courage...Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws,

the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path."

Pat Buchanan says Adolf Hitler only sought to dominate Europe, making him, "no physical threat to the US" after 1940.

In reference to the first gulf war--

"There are only two groups that are beating the drums for war in the Middle East -- the Israeli defense ministry and its 'amen corner' in the United States."

Writing of "group fantasies of martyrdom," Buchanan challenged the

historical record that thousands of Jews were gassed to death by diesel

exhaust at Treblinka: "Diesel engines do not emit enough carbon monoxide

to kill anybody." (New Republic, 10/22/90)

Buchanan's columns have run in

the Liberty Lobby's Spotlight, the German-American National PAC newsletter

and other publications that claim Nazi death camps are a Zionist

concoction.

The latest Buchanan historical theory is that the Holocaust would never have happened if Hitler had won the war.

Pat Buchanan isn’t a Conservative, he’s a racist, an anti-Semite and an anti-American crank who hates diversity,

change and American power. He longs for the old days when Whites ran the world (but took no responsibility for it), Mexicans stayed on their side of the Rio Grande and killing Jews was no big deal.

----------------

I understand supporting a man who made commentary that practically puts him in Hitler youth,

and who in 2000, besides Palin,

had little support other than fringe support from groups like Aryan Nation, doesn't directly put you next to

Mussolini, but it should sure give you pause as to who is one heartbeat away from the presidency if McCain is elected.

PS Gaf, I think Sally Field was cuter as Gidget

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Sally Field, those cute as a button, has always just... She makes me want to rethink my stance of never having a valid reason to slap the shit out of a woman.

[Rev.Reverence]

Wow take a damn chill pill. First of all never said Palin didn't do any mud slinging, I just stated that I'm fucking sick of it. As for her daughter getting pregeant, who fucking cares, I mean seriously at least she's taking responsibility for her actions instead of being a shitty mom. Shit her and the father are getting married, so in my eyes even though she made a mistake and didn't use protection, she's showing her maturity and owning up to what happend. And just let me say even though politically Palin hasn't kept tabs on the war doesn't mean she hasn't personally.

As for the Hitler picture, I'm rather offended since my grandmother lost her father and all her uncles in WWII because Hitler said fight or we'll kill your children. Comparing anyone to Nazi Germany is ignorant and in my eyes makes you seem like a pretty shitty person overall.

I don't think it is merely that the 17 year old is pregnant. It is that she was not educated. WHY? Because her mother doesn't believe in educating our young ones how to prevent pregnancy (the problem with 1950's thinking/values I see Rep. Party pushing)... it is not 19-fucking-50!

You can have a whole lot more than pregnancy or a slight in-fuck-tion...

BEFORE you vote for this ticket... think... HARD... do you have what it takes to TEACH your children.. on your own... SAFER SEX? Because, honestly, we (U.S.A.) have not been doing so great as a TEAM (teachers/parents).....

[Rev.Reverence]

NOW... for my slightly silly post...

*cracks knuckles*

Remember the A-team?

Remember classifying EVERYTHING as the A-team?

WELL..... if McCain is Hannibal Smith...

That would make Palin his Faceman...

Is anyone else scared to see whom they fill the B.A. Barrakas & Captain "Howlin' Madd" Murdoch slots?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I don't think it is merely that the 17 year old is pregnant. It is that she was not educated. WHY? Because her mother doesn't believe in educating our young ones how to prevent pregnancy (the problem with 1950's thinking/values I see Rep. Party pushing)... it is not 19-fucking-50!

You can have a whole lot more than pregnancy or a slight in-fuck-tion...

BEFORE you vote for this ticket... think... HARD... do you have what it takes to TEACH your children.. on your own... SAFER SEX? Because, honestly, we (U.S.A.) have not been doing so great as a TEAM (teachers/parents).....

I am so sick of this thinking... or non-thinking.

Please. Go read Palin's own words on sex education in schools. She does not support abstinence only teaching. She supports abstinence as the best way but also supports contraception being taught in schools.

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues,"

[Rev.Reverence]

I am so sick of this thinking... or non-thinking.

Please. Go read Palin's own words on sex education in schools. She does not support abstinence only teaching. She supports abstinence as the best way but also supports contraception being taught in schools.

"I'm pro-contraception, and I think kids who may not hear about it at home should hear about it in other avenues,"

FIRST OFF Gaf...I am sick of allot of things. (like double edged remarks)

Next...I saw no such thing... & I was under the serious impression that hers is one of those near Catholic, Protestant Churches... The kind that do not believe in contraception.

[n0Mad]

NOW... for my slightly silly post...

*cracks knuckles*

Remember the A-team?

Remember classifying EVERYTHING as the A-team?

WELL..... if McCain is Hannibal Smith...

That would make Palin his Faceman...

Is anyone else scared to see whom they fill the B.A. Barrakas & Captain "Howlin' Madd" Murdoch slots?

Unless Palin would be Amy. I will admit that Obama would make a decent Face, but you just can't beat McCain for Hannibal. Maybe Jesse Ventura should be brought in for B.A. As far as Murdoch ... duh, Congress. LOL!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

FIRST OFF Gaf...I am sick of allot of things. (like double edged remarks)

Next...I saw no such thing... & I was under the serious impression that hers is one of those near Catholic, Protestant Churches... The kind that do not believe in contraception.

and you did not, like so many other people, go find out if the rumor was true.

I'm tired of rumors about Palin. I'm tired of rumors about Obama. I'm tired of Rumors.

Most of them are FALSE and can be verified as such with ease. The problem is, we waste our time on stupid rumors rather than THINKING about the truths.

[n0Mad]

I'm tired of rumors about Palin. I'm tired of rumors about Obama. I'm tired of Rumors.

Most of them are FALSE and can be verified as such with ease. The problem is, we waste our time on stupid rumors rather than THINKING about the truths.

+1

[Rev.Reverence]

and you did not, like so many other people, go find out if the rumor was true.

I'm tired of rumors about Palin. I'm tired of rumors about Obama. I'm tired of Rumors.

Most of them are FALSE and can be verified as such with ease. The problem is, we waste our time on stupid rumors rather than THINKING about the truths.

Every Pentecostal church that I am aware of teaches that sex is exclusively for monogamous heterosexual marriages. All expressions of adultery (extra-marital sex), fornication (pre-marital sex), homosexuality, lesbianism, and other deviations from this rule are strongly opposed on scriptural grounds.

I stand supported.....?

I AM!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

So, are you saying that it's OK to hold Palin's religion against her? Does that put Obama's religion of hate and bigotry back on the table?

[freydis]

Both sides of the election now officially scare the shit out of me.