cigarettes

[asphyxian_doll]

how was your quitting? and how many cigs a day where you smoking when you quit. where headaches ,tension, lack of sleep, or problems breathing from your lungs healing big issue for the first 3 days? im just curious, iv wanted to quit, but seems after 4-5 hours the tension in my body that my mind created led me to give in

I smoked 2 and a half packs a day.

Djarum blacks.

I Didn't mind the withdrawals...it beat the lack of oxygen to the brain.

I didn't have any problems breathing,

a lot of it is psychological like you said.

[asphyxian_doll]

Try being original.

oh and obesity is also preventative....

and eating habits don't always play a role.

Its really sad to see you go so far as to make statements about health issues related to overweight people, just to prove a point, that has already been shot down, many times.....and is still, despite your best efforts,

full of shit.

[SaGa]

on a more general note. smoking is being taken care of bye many states, putting bans on public smoking. im fine with this, now places that has a 50%+ demographic of smokers, like bars, it whouldnt float. dennys and many resturants tried it, but found there night-life crowd was dieing to nothing so they restricted smoking to night and after hours.

in comparison, people who do metal coating, plating, acid etching suffer a far worse fate. car emissions in a traffic jam creates a worse effect then smoking. drinking the water from macomb county cant be good at all for you. a compromise is being met. smoking is seeing a higher price everywhere, from health insurence, to just smoking in your house/car and its value as a asset goes down more then the worth of the cigs. im not worried about debate on it, cause whats happening is going to continue. sooooo just ride the comet

[asphyxian_doll]

on a more general note. smoking is being taken care of bye many states, putting bans on public smoking. im fine with this, now places that has a 50%+ demographic of smokers, like bars, it whouldnt float. dennys and many resturants tried it, but found there night-life crowd was dieing to nothing so they restricted smoking to night and after hours.

in comparison, people who do metal coating, plating, acid etching suffer a far worse fate. car emissions in a traffic jam creates a worse effect then smoking. drinking the water from macomb county cant be good at all for you. a compromise is being met. smoking is seeing a higher price everywhere, from health insurence, to just smoking in your house/car and its value as a asset goes down more then the worth of the cigs. im not worried about debate on it, cause whats happening is going to continue. sooooo just ride the comet

Yep, for a reason of course.

with that, i agree, smoking is one of the least of our worrys.

Im just allergic to it.

And there will always be war, famine, and death....but that still doesn't stop me from prodding the pond for ripples.

Catalysts for change are never very comfortable.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

I find it funny that those who find these "facts" about second hand smoke being harmless,

are already set on finding only that.

ignoring the oppositional view, and studies that show it is harmful just says that is one poor half ass statement.

hmm, intelligent....very...very intelligent.

Nice to see someone defend something that has no use, for stress relief, or benefits of any kind,....a complete useless, nasty, unattractive habit,

in the name of pride.

*giggles*

keep up the good work boy'o

I am not saying second hand smoke is harmless. I am saying that it is not as bad as you are trying to make it sound. Show me one scientific report that says definitively that second hand smoke causes Cancer or other serious health affects. Just one. There are none, in case you didn't know. There are many that use words like "maybe", "might" and "suggests".. but not one that can actually say it.

I am not ignoring the opposing view... I am asking you to back that view up with proof. No one has ever been able to do it before.

I bring up being over weight for a reason. It's just as preventable as smoking and exposure to second hand smoke. It kills more people than smoking. It's a bigger drain on our health system than smoking. There are obese people than smokers. It's a bigger problem, but I don't see anyone trying to legislate it.

[taysteewonderbunny]

A hefty 30% tip to my waitress (I was a waitress once, and half-of-minimum-wage doesn't cut it for an hourly) in cash, so that she has the option of not declaring all of it.

I am a smoker and have been off and on for 11 years now. I am fully aware of the health risks and know that my respiratory and circulatory systems have been impacted by years of ingestion of toxic fumes. I do my best to try to minimize the impact on those around me. I try not to litter my butts, try to keep smoking in public places to a minimum except in those few (and dwindling) public places that support it (like one restaurant, one coffeehouse, and one club that I know of). Even so, I am likely to ask the people I am near if lighting up will bother them and seek out open spaces in fairer weather.

I have quit smoking many times. 18 months at the longest, 2 months at the shortest, so I know it can be done. My reasons for going back are psychological--I use the stimulant properties of the cigarettes to maintain alertness and as a counter to my tendency toward depressive mood cycles. I am not throwing it out there as an excuse. I just want to make it clear that for some of us, despite our knowledge, despite our self-awareness, despite a real desire for a happiness and longevity, tobacco continues to have a real grip on us.

Please, don't attack us for being stupid or weak. Many of us are neither. I have a tendency to be defensive because so frequently persons who oppose smoking are offensive. If it is really your desire to help, some of the sentiments expressed thus far are really more helpful than indignation. Particularly, share more of how you quit and what keeps you from starting again. I like too, expressions of concern and support. When I do quit again, and for good, those sentiments will keep me on the non-smoking path much better than your derision.

Thank you.

[Hellion]

I'd rather smoke a joint once in a great while than smoke a pack of cigarettes a day,yeah they are nasty and a shitty habit to break.

[SaGa]

the catalyst is there already, been there for a while. lobbyist seem to be the ones for that catalyst, much like anything else currently.

i just believe in respect. DONT SMOKE INFRONT OF NON_SMOKERS UNLESS THEY ARE OK WITH IT, its that simple,

now the mother who smokes infront of her kid, that on the other hand is wrong, the kids going to think cigs are completely fine, and also will end up smelling like a ashtray. i whould be perfectly fine with law prohibiting smoking infront of a child. it whould rarely be enforced is the problem.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Yep, for a reason of course.

with that, i agree, smoking is one of the least of our worrys.

Im just allergic to it.

And there will always be war, famine, and death....but that still doesn't stop me from prodding the pond for ripples.

Catalysts for change are never very comfortable.

Allergic to smoke.. thats funny. It's physically impossible to have an allergic reaction to smoke.. of any kind. Smoke particles are too small. Smoke is an irritant that can cause an existing allergic reaction to intensify... but it's impossible to be allergic to smoke. Check around... but if you are too busy I can like you many medical websites that explain that smoke is not an allergen.

[phee]

Allergic to smoke.. thats funny. It's physically impossible to have an allergic reaction to smoke.. of any kind. Smoke particles are too small. Smoke is an irritant that can cause an existing allergic reaction to intensify... but it's impossible to be allergic to smoke. Check around... but if you are too busy I can like you many medical websites that explain that smoke is not an allergen.

Would "allergic to the substances in smoke" be more accurate?...

Or "Having a strong upper respatory reaction that resembles allergies" be more accurate?

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

No. There is nothing in smoke to be allergic to.

and No.

correct would be "Smoke irritates my lungs and respatory tract, causing my actual allergys to worsen until I move away from the smoke. If I did not have an existing condition, smoke would have little to no affect on me."

There are thousands of other things you are exposed to everyday that are worse for you than second hand smoke.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Cell phones have been positivly linked to tumors of the brain.. bet your still using that cell phone.

[Hellion]

Everything is bad for humans,planet earth was only meant for plant,marine,animal life,not humans(being sarcastic)

now back to topic,quitting cigs would be nice.

[SaGa]

crank knows how much zink and aluminum oxide affects you, specially when welding.

im sure the problem with plastic water bottles is going to see more and more light

basicly everything that deals with chemistry for everyday life has ignored human saftey to some extent for profits

[Rev.Reverence]

I was a smoker for 4 years....

I refuse to believe that you had a cigarette addiction for 4 years ... & quit cold turkey...

IF YOU DID YOU WOULD SEE IT'S ALLURE... which you clearly stated that you did not.

[Rev.Reverence]

horribly.....disgusting.

I was a smoker for 4 years....

quit cold turkey, no problem...

and in the months of being clean, i have realized this.

Women while smoking, don't look classy, contrary to their perception....ughhh why include that in a beautiful picture of you?! and shit it just looks plain gross.

grody

icky,

whatever.

I have never known such hatred for any drug, alcoholic beverage,

or substance as much as cigarettes.

*blech!*

I see a beautiful lady, walking down the street, gorgeous hair, eyes....skin....and all of a sudden

she pulls out a cigarette, designed to kill, and control...every undesirable in america.

its a form of control....i mean common!

you dont smoke because you like it, need it, or want it.....the ideology was shoved down your throat as a child, teen, adult.....and of course is accepted by society as this normality, when the only damn thing that habit does is kill.

plain and simple.

P.S. You don't have to be so MEAN ALL THE TIME!

People don't like it.

[Rev.Reverence]

No. There is nothing in smoke to be allergic to.

and No.

correct would be "Smoke irritates my lungs and respatory tract, causing my actual allergys to worsen until I move away from the smoke. If I did not have an existing condition, smoke would have little to no affect on me."

There are thousands of other things you are exposed to everyday that are worse for you than second hand smoke.

Yes... Smoke is CARBON particles... go ahead... try to avoid CARBON... That is what we are made of!

(as Gaf has stated several times)(&I have backed him on this since my arrival)

YAY FOR SCIENCE!

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

P.S. You don't have to be so MEAN ALL THE TIME!

People don't like it.

Not just smoked.. but smoked 2.5 packs of cloves a day...

Clove cigs have far less nicotine in them than normal cigs... They are far less addictive than normal cigs... but they are addictive. The point is, you can give up Cloves cigs easier than normal cigs.

[Head Wreck]

in my family we dont loose our marbles.

i'd rather not conciously witness me fouling myself in old age

[Scales]

I think it's pretty sad to see pretty chicks smoking. But I don't have a problem with cigarette smokers in general, I just can't date them.

[Az_]

Not a smoker. Don't hate smokers. Smoking makes me sick. It smells like crap. I wonder about why people do things like smoking to themselves. I understand addiction. Smokers have my pity. I won't shove my position down their throat. But I won't shy away from it when asked.

Thats it.

[Oh_My_Goth]

you dont smoke because you like it, need it, or want it.....the ideology was shoved down your throat as a child, teen, adult.....and of course is accepted by society as this normality, when the only damn thing that habit does is kill.

Reeeeeaaalllllly?????

Just because YOU smoked to be cool.....When you where, what, like 13.....Does not mean the rest of us did.....

You should not be so judgmental, it is not very attractive.....

[Rayne]

No. There is nothing in smoke to be allergic to.

and No.

correct would be "Smoke irritates my lungs and respatory tract, causing my actual allergys to worsen until I move away from the smoke. If I did not have an existing condition, smoke would have little to no affect on me."

There are thousands of other things you are exposed to everyday that are worse for you than second hand smoke.

I have Asthma as well as allergies and sometimes it is quite hard for me to tell the two apart. My allergies will sometimes give me the asthmatic gasping for air and send me reaching for my inhaler and sometimes my Asthma will take a form of my allergies and I'll reach for the Benedryl. Both of my sons are just like me.

My oldest son will go into coughing fits and it's hard to tell if it's the allergies or the Asthma, best just to get the Nebulizer out and deal with it that way. They both take Singular for the allergies and Albuterol (both inhaler and Nebulizer, according to how bad it is) for Asthma attacks. In the Fall and Winter (their worst seasons), they take Flovent (oldest son - inhaler) and Pulmicort (youngest son - nebulizer)

Something in the smoke sets both my sons off and myself. It's not just cigarette smoke though, cigars, cloves, marijuana, smoke machines ... it all affects us about the same. I don't know if it's our allergies or the Asthma, but it's one or the other.

[Gaf The Horse With Tears]

Rayne, smoke... of any kind, is an irritant. So, if you have an existing condition such as asthma, smoke will sometimes set off an Asthma attack.

I'm not saying that smoke has no affects on people with existing respiratory problems. I am saying that you can't be allergic to smoke.

[Miranda]

Yes... Smoke is CARBON particles... go ahead... try to avoid CARBON... That is what we are made of!

(as Gaf has stated several times)(&I have backed him on this since my arrival)

I'll take my carbon hard.